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Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
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Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
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> > I fully agree that continually denying yourself something that makes you happy isn't a virtue. > Murder? Mayhem? Destruction? Greed? The bar is so low you consider not being a dangerous sociopath a virtue?
You think a dangerous sociopath is not virtuous if, for moral reasons, they hold back from acting upon their antisocial base desires?
A dangerous sociopath with functioning moral compass? That sounds like an oxymoron, don't you think?
And no, fulfilling the very bare minimum is not virtuous. When virtuous person stops being virtuous, they fall to "average", not to the lowest possible.
Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
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#284Mash-Allah Eid Mubarak!
Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you aren't cursed for having those desires, but for acting upon them That sounds exactly as repressive and hateful that other major religion, as well as historical laws which punished homosexual acts in many western countries. You have highlighted the difference between our desires and our behavior, but you seem to deliberately avoid acknowledging that straight people are permitted an institution in which their des…
Islam pretty much is a framework for how you deal with God and for how your life here and hereafter will be according to that relationship. That's all it is. You also acknowledge that even straight people have constraints in Islam, i.e. no sleeping around etc, why not also argue that it's somehow terrible that straight people have to repress their desire to fornicate? "You're invited to participate in our faith so lo…
You've buried the lede that the core framework does see homosexual behavior as "wrongful sexual desire", "regressive behaviour".
You can accept that or not, but it's disingenuous to equate asking gays never to have sexual or romantic relationships, to asking non-gay people just to curb excess.
That's not an equal imposition, it feels like self-equivocating ad-hominem to read "you're not being targeted here, so can you stop with the victim complex please?"
If you agree that it's better for gay people to never experience intimacy, please just say so, without labelling the concern (that gay people may feel less invited) as ridiculous
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> and from your own desires As a non-religious gay I probably wasn't invited anyway. But this kind of thinking is what leads conservatives to so much repression and hate. The idea that the wants and needs of your body are something which the mind must actively fight. That the scratchy, ill-fitting wool sweater of your culture is something that you must keep on at all costs. And it leads to resentment of people who ar…
That sounds like you're coming at this from a similar standpoint to one of the other major religions which I would rather not mention as I don't want to start a religious war here. In Islam you're not hated or judged for what you call your true feelings. You are however instructed to gain mastery over those feelings and make them subordinate to you rather than the other way around. Fasting is one of the things that c…
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Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
> > I fully agree that continually denying yourself something that makes you happy isn't a virtue. > Murder? Mayhem? Destruction? Greed? The bar is so low you consider not being a dangerous sociopath a virtue?
You think a dangerous sociopath is not virtuous if, for moral reasons, they hold back from acting upon their antisocial base desires?
You think they hold back from acting upon their desires because of god?
Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
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does it correspond to lent in some way?
"Lent"?
yes, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent
Re: Tell HN: Eid Mubarak
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Religious flamewar is not allowed here, so please don't post like this to HN.