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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by kemayo »

turtleyacht wrote: post #93
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> While Lee is one of a dozen homicide victims in San Francisco this year, his is the only killing that has garnered national coverage — or, in most cases, even cursory local coverage. > San Francisco’s other homicide victims in 2023 are Gavin Boston, 40; Irving Sanchez-Morales, 28; Carlos Romero Flores, 29; Maxwell Maltzman, 18; Demario Lockett, 44; Maxwell Mason, 29; Humberto Avila, 46; Gregory McFarland Jr, 36; Ka…

Maybe this speaks to me being in a worse location, but I'm sitting here thinking "it's April and this major city has only had twelve homicides? That's pretty great!"

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by mkehrt »

j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

I cannot praise Eskenazi highly enough as a reporter.

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Post by comte7092 »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #222

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It’s interesting that you feel the need to say you don’t mean to politicize this, when the topic is already quite clearly political in nature, you’re simply addressing a point in an ongoing political discussion.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by refurb »

jjulius wrote: post #52
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

It was really surreal, reading through that thread and watching everyone assume they knew exactly what happened when there had literally been no public information given out about the suspect.

Is this your first time on HN?

Post any story - tech, biotech, engineering, finance, war - and half the comments are people confident they know “the real story” and how everyone is wrong.

Why would this story be any different?

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Post by criddell »

bobobob420 wrote: post #200
jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

“ Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go, and you still complain when they dare to pop up where you are.” Nope. One of the wealthiest cities in the world fails to look after its inhabitants. A failure of government

I think you're saying the same thing with different words.

The government isn't some distant third party. It's people from the community who are elected by their neighbors to run things in a certain way.

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Post by Vervious »

vkou wrote: post #231
cemerick wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great; in general, people should be, and I'm not looking down on them for doing so. However, property crime is absolutely irrelevant when presented with the news of someone's murder, yet so many people here are quick to conflate them as somehow equivalent vis a vis personal safety, etc. (Sidenote: I personally don't understand anyone thinking that property crime is "scary". Your car is not your kid. Your walle…

A burglary is much scarier than someone stealing shit from your car, because someone invaded your living space in the latter. It's a much more serious invasion of your privacy than a broken window smash and grab. The point I made in the sibling point stands, though. At 55th in the nation, SF does not have a high burglary rate. It has a high larceny (stealing from stores, cars, etc) rate.

Btw, I think technically if the car is locked, it's also classified as a burglary

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Post by azinman2 »

orsenthil wrote: post #274
azinman2 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s unclear from your anecdote if you either learned anything or came back to the conversation saying your family member’s hunch was right.

The implication here seems 'an expert' had a right intuition and disputed a widely believed initial claim.

Would have been helpful to be explicit here about it, as it otherwise just seems to end.

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Post by bigtex88 »

cemerick wrote: post #172
stickfigure wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

What an absolutely asinine thing to champion. How does that do any good to actually help with "policy" as your initial comment seems to intend? All you seem to be doing is acting like "I'm smarter than all of you!"

SF is a dangerous city. That seems to be the main point of concern here.

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