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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by AdamN »

drooopy wrote: post #271
filereaper wrote: post #263

Its absurd that Apple decided adding a direct port for a second monitor needs a "Pro" MacBook. My sister was given a M2 and had to use external dongles which then needed DisplayLink to be installed. None of this is necessary.

100%. An SD card slot and a video out port are not pro features. A typical college freshman will need both of those, regardless of their discipline. In fact, my entry level, 13" MacBook Air had those a decade ago.

SD card is kind of niche these days - it's really just for people with a camera and most people just use a phone at this point. HDMI out though is definitely still useful for regular people (presentations, conferences, TV, etc...)

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

makingstuffs wrote: post #252
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. The cheapest iPhone they sell you is the SE, a phone with a low-res, dim display, that's worse than what Android phones had 10 years ago (have the SE from work and my dusty old 2012 Samsung Note 2's OLED display just blows it out of the water), all starting at a whopping 549 Euros, more than my rent. Apple's pricing is just nuts in Europe. For up to 399 I might give…

I 100% agree about the hardware but I have to say the selling point of apple is the OS. I have an iPhone SE 2020 and the screen broke. This caused me to use my QA device (Samsung S21+) while I returned to the city from the mountains. It was a horrendous experience. The camera is unquestionably better in the Samsung but that is about all the positives I could take from my week of using it. Android was just an abysmal…

> Android was just an abysmal experience from my perspective.

I'm always amused by this kind of comment.

I have been from ios to Android back to ios in the last few years. The two of them are so similar nowadays it's laughable. The UX is nearly identical.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by donkeyd »

pjc50 wrote: post #225
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Too many people are just replaying inflation discourse from the 1930s and 1970s over and over again in their head, talking up the imminent collapse of the dollar, without actually taking a look around.

There's a lot of crypto shills that want to scare people into thinking fiat will inevitably fail, so people buy their imaginary currency.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by t3945234 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

The United States total fertility rate (1.8 as of 2022) isn't that much different than a large chunk of Europe.

Per this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

* France, Denmark, Sweden, Ireland: 1.8

* Iceland, Czech Republic, UK, Latvia, Netherlands, Belgium, Lithuania, Norway: 1.7

* Romania, Slovenia, Estonia, Albania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Germany, Switzerland, Austria: 1.6

Yes, there's some countries that have even lower levels (eg Italy and Greece), but that's a large chunk of Europe with a pretty similar fertility rate to the United States. I wouldn't give America a pass on any future sort of demographic discussion regarding this. Heck, China (which you list at "terminal") has a fertility rate of 1.7.

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Post by Eisenstein »

slowmotiony wrote: post #274
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. Recently i wanted to get a small mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on. Reading online forums, everyone's like "just get a mac mini, couple hundred bucks and you're golden". I check the apple website and turns out they actually cost almost a thousand euro for the 16GB/256GB model. But its the same with a lot of other electronics to…

Rasbpis are expensive because people started using them for products (why make a board to flash these lights when I can put a cheap Pi in there with a program to do it?) and during the chip shortage they started prioritizing businesses -- which is against their self-described mission, but whatever.

They still haven't caught up production enough to stifle the price increases.

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Post by oblio »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate

No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping, and most of the higher values in that group are from recent immigrants, which are also having fewer kids. Educated folks also have lower fertility rates.

The US is basically a mirror of Western Europe in this regard:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rate...

> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people.

I'd argue that the biggest factors by far these days are:

1. English (very accessible due to music, movies, TV shows, etc).

2. Lots and lots of natural resources facilitating lots of businesses which aren't really feasible in say, Germany, France, Japan.

3. Large population bringing economies of scaling facilitating advanced businesses paying high salaries.

Otherwise someone who travels around the US and Western Europe, for example, will be quite surprised at the cultural convergence and immigration levels.

Most of your comment is a perception from 2-3 decades back, at least.

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Post by cryptonector »

sfpotter wrote: post #8

Too bad we can’t try to focus on building people computers that last decades.

With Moore's Law finally almost dead, it could be done. Though I should confess that my current laptop has been my current laptop for almost a decade, so it's been doable.

The real key is to make software more efficient.

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Post by glogla »

JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #118
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

The M2 air for me is working more as a means for me to talk myself into getting an M1 Pro 14" than anything else. Creating a mental process like this: - "I'd like an M1 Pro 14, but it's too expensive" - "A 16GB M1 Air would more than suffice and they're now at okayish prices refurbished" - "Oh! there's a new M2 Air and it's like a pretty nice middle point between the M1 Air and the M1 Pro" - "Oh wait, 16GB is only a…

Don't do it. I bought M1 Air instead of M1 14" Pro to save money and now I regret it. The Pro's display and speakers are much better I now watch movies on work M1 14" Pro.

M2 Air might be good too, I don't know. But if I could go back, I'd go to M1 Pro.

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Post by Robotbeat »

sfpotter wrote: post #8

Too bad we can’t try to focus on building people computers that last decades.

Decades is a long time for anything to last. Mean time between screen breakage in my house is measured in months (I think I’ve shored that up to years by getting really good cases, fingers crossed).

My gaming PC is a decade old. Apple iPhones usually get feature updates for 70 months (sometimes more) and bug fix updates for 100 months or more. iPads are similar. This is longer than a single battery usually lasts, so you either get an external battery pack or you replace the battery.

Beyond a decade, and you need to throw Linux on them. But things physically wear out at that point. And the increased power consumption of older devices means that much past a decade, you’re paying much more in electricity costs than you would if you had replaced it with a similarly-specced modern device. …at least in principle.

If it’s a rarely used machine, you’re still better off with the old one.

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Post by AdamN »

aix1 wrote: post #173
gambiting wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple care+ isn't available everywhere. Here in Poland a basic Air is about 1.5x national average monthly wage and apple won't sell you apple care+ for any apple device(you can only buy regular apple care which is just an extension of original warranty,nothing more). So yes, if I had one I'd also baby it.

And besides, there's nothing wrong with looking after things we own, instead of treating everything as disposable.

Sure. There's really not giant risk of damage though. I don't use a case and my mbp has been going from home to office and around the city for four years with just a dent in the corner to show for it. MBPs are very hard to damage if you just keep it in a sleeve in your backpack and don't have liquids right next to the keyboard :-)
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