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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by herbst »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #139
gwbrooks wrote: post #115

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>> This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Comments like this always make me wonder: How would that happen? Here in the U.S., there's relatively little appetite for job-saving labor protections and, once you leave the regulatory sphere, everyone -- employers, employees, consumers of products and services -- is consistently self-interested. Not saying that sort of societal conversation i…

I don't think the conversion we need to have is about how to stop it, its about what we do with all the unemployed artists, accountants, journalists, truck and taxi drivers. Do we pay half of them to dig holes, then pay the other half to fill them? We just need to keep the economy wheel turning while everybody finds new meaningful work.

That's a process that didn't start with AI but now it became obvious very fast that it gets to late to ignore.

There is no model that works in a purely capitalistic setting. The reality this this issue will hit us hard, everywhere and faster every day.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by dtdynasty »

fintechie wrote: post #271

I feel bad for people reluctant to embrace the tech. It feels like refusing to adopt email, the web, mobile apps, and so on. Why not use it to your advantage? Truth is, it's going to become a must for many companies very soon, or they'll be unable to compete. Maybe there will be some niches where human artists thrive, but it's uncertain at this stage.

I didn't interpret their article as reluctance to embrace technology. They understandably liked 3d modeling using the current tools and was able to make a living doing something fun. It's a rare occurrence and sadly innovations in technology took away the joyful part of their job. If it was not a tech innovation removing the joy from their job they would probably still be upset about it.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by steveshurley44 »

jerojero wrote: post #251
tlocke wrote: post #231

We've created a society where there are such things as 'jobs' and unless you're rich, you need a job to support yourself and maybe a family. I think this model of society worked reasonably well for a while, but with AI we're coming to the end of that era. In the next era we'll probably live like aristocrats, but instead of the work being done by servants, it'll be done by AI. Back to the case of the 3D artist, in thi…

I don't think so. I think in the future we will be living pretty similarly but instead of just doing the work manually we'll be using AI to be more efficient. Just like what the original post on reddit was referring to. He was not fired or anything, his bosses just told him "now you need to do 10 times the work you were doing before because you got the AI". Although in the past it was okay for him to do 1/10th of the…

The one word answer for why you are wrong to not be concerned is entropy.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by herbst »

orbital-decay wrote: post #130
rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

It didn't take OP's job, though. It gave them another tool that produces better output, but which they don't happen to like (in contrast to their colleague who doesn't have issues with it).

I have to agree. If I get hired somewhere and one day I get suddenly forced to use Mac or Windows to run the Adobe suite I would hate the situation but most people would argue that's just the Industrie standard

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Post by raincole »

nullsense wrote: post #79
muyuu wrote: post #55

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Generally speaking, whatever output people can do, generative AI can do to the point you wouldn't be able to tell it apart.

I think the point is it's not going to suddenly give us surprises like Banksy shredding art.

Artists who are hired by film/game studios have nothing to do with what Banksy is doing.

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Post by luckylion »

Julesman wrote: post #124

We are going to be seeing so much of this. It is sad. Start up culture at times seems to insist that all progress must be good, as though progress itself will be thwarted by reflection or honesty. Something is lost and something is gained, but that doesn't make the losses painless or irrelevant. We can be pragmatic and have empathy at the same time. What I don't think we should do is act like every change is inherent…

You can replace "Startup culture" with "Modernity" and it reads like many conservatives' feelings about progressive culture. I don't think anyone has ever cared about that, and I don't see why that should be changed because it now affects different people.

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

ghaff wrote: post #25
andrewflnr wrote: post #16

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The market of people who care enough about those aspects to pay an expert is, I'm guessing, much smaller than the market for people who will be fine with whatever they can come up with themselves.

How many of those people would actually have paid an expert vs. downloading some stock photo or artwork and going close enough?

If we can have an infinite variation of personalized stock photos, I'm betting that the "good enough" side will win.

I'm still not scared about my job since I provide specific solutions (C++ architectures) that an AI cannot produce (yet), but it's worrying for everyone and every kind of job at the same time.

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Post by anon7725 »

mrbombastic wrote: post #133
blackoil wrote: post #122

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Today yeah, but tomorrow the clients can use GPT 7 consultant who has better context with access to all the mails/data of the client. It is fast/cheap and is a polymath.

I don’t understand why people see this future as guaranteed, just because GPT4 was a great improvement on 3.5 does not imply this approach will continue accelerating at this rate. I am not saying it definitely won’t happen but I find the confidence that it will pretty baffling.

We have numerous examples that have worked this way throughout the history of computing. It would be shocking if it plateaued this early.

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Post by maeil »

bruce511 wrote: post #228
trafficante wrote: post #200

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We’re creating a new global average standard of living with disastrous consequences. The poor areas rapidly gain wealth but at great cost to the environment and the whole thing is dependent on a never-ending fire hose of capital and tech transfers from the “wealthy” areas. The wealthy areas, already unable to offer many citizens the ability to raise a family, are desperately engaging in extreme financialization, ludi…

>> The poor areas rapidly gain wealth but at great cost to the environment and the whole thing is dependent on a never-ending fire hose of capital and tech transfers from the “wealthy” areas. While I sympathize with your angst at the coming future, a future where the US isn't the highest, I see that for most of the world your prediction is both highly desirable, and inaccurate. Firstly, let's dispel the great-cost-to…

I agree with most of your comment but comparing Facebook or Google with Tiktok remains a classic "both sides" false equivalency that takes away from other valid points that you make. Yes, US social media companies too have to comply with government requests, which have at times been abused. No, the scale and impact that this has is in no way comparable to Chinese tech companies and their relation to the government.
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