I like having 2 drives. This seems to only have a slot for one drive? It doesn't take too long until you end up with TBs of stuff.
Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are there still only tiny slivered arrow keys when the palm rest is so big you could park a car on it?
It's a complete bloody mystery and I thought the same thing when I saw their other laptops. I'm sure their target audience uses the cursor keys more than almost every other key, and they've made them those horrible tiny nubs. You could literally fit all four of them into the footprint of that right shift key, the right shift key that I have never even once pressed in 30 years of computing. No matter what else they do…
Yeah there's quite a bit of disconnect between who Framework imagines their market is and who I think gets excited at the phrase "modular laptop". We care about things like real non-chiclet keyboards, full size arrow keys, mouse buttons. What is the point in buying a Framework when the laptop I already own has as much connectivity as a Framework laptop's entire selection of modules, all at the same time? Framework should've offered things you can't get anywhere else, like a module that's just four USB 2.0 ports in a stack, or a module that's actually a fold-out bluetooth mouse.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#283I like having 2 drives. This seems to only have a slot for one drive? It doesn't take too long until you end up with TBs of stuff.
You can put storage in one or more of the 4 expansion slots on the sides.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.
My ten inch Win Max 2 has 2x USB-C, 3x USB-A, HDMI, headphone jack, a full size SD card slot and a microSD slot, a 2280 m.2 slot and a 2230 m.2 slot. Demand better of your manufacturers.
Why should I demand if I don't use them?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#285Why do companies insist on messing with laptop keyboard layouts? Where's the menu key? Where are the Home, PgDn, PgUp, and End keys? I've used cheap sub 300-dollar laptops with keyboards more complete than this.
The silver lining here is that Framework keyboards are replaceable in theory. I'll wait until a proper keyboard gets released.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#286Why do companies insist on messing with laptop keyboard layouts? Where's the menu key? Where are the Home, PgDn, PgUp, and End keys? I've used cheap sub 300-dollar laptops with keyboards more complete than this. The silver lining here is that Framework keyboards are replaceable in theory. I'll wait until a proper keyboard gets released.
> Where's the menu key?
Seems gone. I can't say I've personally ever used it, so that's probably why it's one of the first keys to go, but I know that doesn't help you.
> Where are the Home, PgDn, PgUp, and End keys?
They're available via Fn+Arrow Cluster.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it's easier to touch empty space and adjust fingers. Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them. I don't say you're wrong, just it's a matter of taste. It's the same with mechanical keyboards - I can't use these compact 75% keyboards where arrows/Pg Up/Pg Down/Home/End are flush with other keys; but a bit "exploded" layout, with just a bit of space between…
IIRC on ThinkPad keyboards, the 6-key navigation block (arrow keys + pgup & pgdn) has a lower baseline -- the bottom of the block is lower than the bottom of the rest of the keys on the keyboard. So it is still easy to find the arrow keys by touch, even without blank space above the left and the right arrow keys.
There is also a tactile nub on the Down key, so it's trivial to find it wiith your middle finger and go to town.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
The laptop pictured has a US keyboard layout, that's just how the US keyboard layout is. They also have an ISO/most-of-world keyboard layout (with options for qwerty/qwertz/azerty labelling, at least on last gen), as seen on the laptop ad in the footer (assuming the link doesn't get changed from the french site after I post that comment, if it does, just go look up the order form on an EU site)
> ISO/most-of-world I’m not certain, but I’m under the impression that the ANSI layout is more common than ISO: that, potentially simplifying a tad, ISO is used in Europe, JIS in Japan, and ANSI everywhere else. (I have experience in Australia, New Zealand, India and the United States, and they all use ANSI.)
ISO is also used in South America, so it's maybe a "European language that's not english" thing
All the countries you mentioned are English Speaking (Or have a really significant English speaking population), maybe that's why they all use ANSI
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#289I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660
I have to say that improving the battery by 11% is not nearly enough. I have a Framework Intel 12th Gen running Mint and I can't use it for more than 3h without having to plug it in. I've followed all instructions on your forums but it's just horrible! Don't get me wrong, I love my laptop, but I hate the battery performance. My wife has a MacBook Air which only requires charging every 3-4 says.
I wish you spent more effort in fixing it at the software level, whatever it takes.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#290I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660
What's going on w/ sleep/wake and suspend, particularly on Linux? From what I understand, the previous problems were due to Intel's bizarre behavior around s3 sleep. Has AMD introduced Apple-like sleep/wake/suspend behavior?
> Has AMD introduced Apple-like sleep/wake/suspend behavior?
You have been able to configure that behavior (sleep-then-hibernate) on any Linux system that supports S3 for a long time (years and years).
At the same time, Apple now uses a kind of sleep similar to 'Windows Modern Standby'/Intel S0ix: https://macreports.com/why-does-my-mac-get-notifications-whi...