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Post by grogenaut »

digitallyfree wrote: post #205
radicaldreamer wrote: post #171

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Lots of software tricks make it easy to take low light photos on phones today but require quite a bit of manual tweaking on a DSLR.

The thing about this is that the manual tweaking allows you to take the picture you're envisioning. Whereas the processing on the phone provides a clear picture in poor conditions, but it's not necessarily the picture I want . For instance a phone can do a great job in a backlit scenario by intelligently cutting the highlights and boosting the shadows. The resulting image shows both the subject and background clearly…

Sure, if you have the camera correctly setup and can remember all of cryptic settings, which using it infrequently I never could. I got once where i knew how to setup the my canon rebel after taking a class. But I just set it to automatic 99% of the time I used it. Any time it was manual it would 20% chance mess up and I'd miss the shot. I took mostly action stuff.

The setup on a phoen is so much simpler and easier esp where it makes suggestions. Phone is bad menus, no touch, dial wheel, ok buttons.

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Post by ulfw »

bmarquez wrote: post #204
Topgamer7 wrote: post #173

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THIS makes you question it? Not any of these: - Blatantly ripping off products listed on their site, using sales data from those products as decision making on which products to steal. - The monopolization of every market they enter - Their search listings are garbage, amazon centric and filled with junk - Anti-competitive practices such as pricing agreements for products on amazon, when listed on websites other than…

As an end user, a lot of Amazon's criticisms are invisible to consumers. - Amazon screws up and sends a poorly packaged product which is damaged? They just ship another one. - Amazon starts creating "Amazon Basics" branded items? Either I buy it if it's a good price, or don't if it's not. Amazon Basics actually helps fight against the flood of cheap Chinese junk by creating a branded product of acceptable quality. St…

"Amazon Basics actually helps fight against the flood of cheap Chinese junk by creating a branded product of acceptable quality."

I am sorry, what? Where do you think those cheap cables and whatever else they sell are from? Hand made by a grandma in rural Washington State?

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Post by max51 »

matmatmatmat wrote: post #231
kevstev wrote: post #170

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Whats the most recent phone you have tried to use in low light? The last two years of Pixels and Iphones (and maybe others, these are just the ones I have seen firsthand) are amazing in low light for a typical use case. I mean sure if you have a tripod and do a long exposure, its a different story, but thats a very different user. I beat the crap out of my Canon Rebel T3i, I literally wore out the shutter after about…

It so happens I recently took a Pixel 6 Pro and a Canon 80D on a trip abroad. I used a rebuild of the stock camera app that does away with the automatic over-sharpening that the stock camera app has, and with the 80D, I used the EF-S 15-85 mm lens that (I believe) used to be the kit lens for the 7D. I also used the EF 70-300 mm non-L lens. There is, in my opinion, no question that the 80D takes sharper pictures in da…

If you're willing to post process your images, the 80D will look way better for night pictures.

The problem is that there is no built-in function for it and you have to manually process each pictures. You might even need more than one tool if you want to take advantage of the same type of AI fakery that phone have.

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Post by eddiewithzato »

asdff wrote: post #66

Here's a 2007 article from when they were acquired by Amazon. It seems at the time this made sense. Jeff Bezos identified the website as the source of truth in the digital camera field and sought to own that source and have it direct customers to his website. The founders were naturally overwhelmed and busy as founders of any company are, and were promised resources to make their jobs easier and let them build out th…

The rise of youtube is the cause to me. Websites that specialize in niches are not as profitable since Youtube pays so much better due to their ads. Along with the huge userbase and easy content search.

Today people go to youtube first for reviews

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Post by Aeolun »

giobox wrote: post #9
ragona wrote: post #3

Dang, I'm actually surprisingly sad about this. DPReview is _the_ site for extremely detailed analysis of cameras. When I want to buy something I go through their report first, and it's always extremely informative. It feels like this kind of layoff is part of an end of an era. Amazon used to NEVER cancel projects that customers were using. They just straight up Did. Not. Do. It. I once had to get approval from my VP…

I do think times have changed though, DPReviews fortunes arguably have mirrored the fortunes of the ILC (interchangeable lens camera) market. The site (along with flickr.com...) was a daily visit for me 15 years ago at the height of the DSLR boom, but I honestly now can't remember the last time I checked. ILC/DSLR annual sales volume peaked in ~2010 I believe, and has rapidly declined ever since really, another victi…

Not sure, I bought my camera from Amazon a few months ago as a result of dpreviews.

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Post by myalphabet »

ulfw wrote: post #282
bmarquez wrote: post #204

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As an end user, a lot of Amazon's criticisms are invisible to consumers. - Amazon screws up and sends a poorly packaged product which is damaged? They just ship another one. - Amazon starts creating "Amazon Basics" branded items? Either I buy it if it's a good price, or don't if it's not. Amazon Basics actually helps fight against the flood of cheap Chinese junk by creating a branded product of acceptable quality. St…

"Amazon Basics actually helps fight against the flood of cheap Chinese junk by creating a branded product of acceptable quality." I am sorry, what? Where do you think those cheap cables and whatever else they sell are from? Hand made by a grandma in rural Washington State?

Amazon Basics are cheap and low quality, but they're at least curated. Amazon doesn't just slap their brand on any random shit, so you at least know that your phone charger will meet safety standards, for example.

I don't often intentionally look for cheap, low quality stuff to buy, but when I do, I'd buy an Amazon Basics item over a UEVYUF (or another ) item every time.

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Post by bdavisx »

georgemcbay wrote: post #261
vwoolf wrote: post #130

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I'm seeing a lot of people discussing sales numbers; here is one article showing the decline in terms of both lens and interchangeable lens cameras shipped: https://bythom.com/newsviews/real-camera-economics.html . Lenses appear to have declined by about 66% from 2012 to 2022. Cameras, by a little under 50%. This decline makes sense to me. I have a Fuji XT4 which I like a lot, but, also, starting around the iPhone 13…

> starting around the iPhone 13, phones got really good. ILC cameras also got really good. I'm not at all doubting that smartphones are the primary cannibalization vector, but even for people who prefer to use cameras with significantly larger sensors than can be put into a smartphone I think the cameras themselves reached a point years ago where it became difficult even for ILC enthusiasts to justify upgrades on a r…

Yep, my wife and I used to do wedding photography and from that period we have 2 Canon 5D Mk II's and 2 40D's along with 3 L lenses, some primes and a few cheaper zooms. There's absolutely no reason we would ever need another camera. Even people with a single body wouldn't ever need another one unless they broke it.

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Post by mod50ack »

freetime2 wrote: post #257
pixelmonkey wrote: post #253

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I agree. I was just providing an alternative given the reality.

Yup fair enough. Another reviewer that I like is Gordon Liang of Cameralabs. He's mostly a YouTuber these days, but he also runs a website that I think is pretty good: https://www.cameralabs.com/ I expect that Jordan Drake and Chris Niccolls from the DP Review YouTube channel will also be starting a new channel.

Chris and Jordan have already announced that they will be continuing with PetaPixel and things will be done basically the same way, just as it was when they were with The Camera Store.

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Post by mrelectric »

WWLink wrote: post #273
vwoolf wrote: post #130

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I'm seeing a lot of people discussing sales numbers; here is one article showing the decline in terms of both lens and interchangeable lens cameras shipped: https://bythom.com/newsviews/real-camera-economics.html . Lenses appear to have declined by about 66% from 2012 to 2022. Cameras, by a little under 50%. This decline makes sense to me. I have a Fuji XT4 which I like a lot, but, also, starting around the iPhone 13…

"starting around the iPhone 13, phones got really good" -exasperated sigh- I wish I could agree but I just can't. I feel around that point pictures taken by phone cameras stopped looking real. They started forcing stuff like HDR and AI correction and very heavy handed noise filtering. Looking back at my old pictures from the 2010s, I think my canon digital elph took better pictures than my phones do now lol. I realiz…

No, you're right. Pictures taken by my one plus one (especially the raw ones) were much much better than my new latest Samsung.
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