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Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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This is going to be the "oh shit" moment for huge portions of the larger professional world. Many people have no idea about the recent advancements in LLMs. When their emails start writing themselves things are going to get very, very weird.

Wow. That co-worker that always makes terrible grammatical mistakes is suddenly producing well written emails. Must have gone back to school.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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My first thought is, "gross"... now we'll have to wonder whether Manager X is even paying attention to the emails they're reading and responding to, or doing any actual work or thinking. Could lead to a world that's even more tilted towards politics and socially engineering your way up the ladder, versus competence and skill.

I was thinking about this last night. The new AI tools are like performance enhancing drugs in sports. Especially in bodybuilding, there was a really painful transition from the world of non-PEDs to PEDs. They solved that by going to natural and non-natural competitions. Other sports didn’t handle it so well (baseball, cycling, etc) Just as people were asking “did Lance / Sammy / Barry / Arnold really do that incredi…

EVERY professional athlete is juicing. Most of them just don't get caught.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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I would argue that shipping to a limited test group qualifies in terms of measuring velocity, which is what the OP said they were impressed with. Launching to 10000 people vs 10000000 is a matter of scale (which is still important, but not the same thing as), not velocity.

i didn't see a place where they said they had 10k users already

Microsoft employs somewhere above 200k people. 10k is only a 5% internal rollout. That seems entirely doable without any fanfare.

The numbers are also completely made up, used to illustrate the point. Launching a product to X users is different than scaling up to X*1000 users, if that makes you feel better.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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> There is even a paid app doing that now Does that somehow change prioritization? If anything, it would lower the priority because there's a workaround people can use. > All around me have this problem, with various level of seriousity. Google the problem, like I did for prolonged time searching for a good answer, it will bring up masses of troubled people. If it was as large of a problem as you claim, with as wide…

>> There is even a paid app doing that now > If anything, it would lower the priority because there's a workaround people can use. Until this happens: Windows 11 update breaks PCs that dare sport a custom UI https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/01/microsoft_windows_11_... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34999885

Ok? I'm not sure how that changes the point.

Things break, the app developers fix it, and then they work again. I don't think there's an expectation anywhere that third party apps will work forever, from the standpoint of anyone involved.

But a viable workaround for users even if it isn't first party will change prioritization when looking at a feature.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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Amazing! I keep banging on about how Microsoft is building the business lock-in of the next decade, and this is a sign of it. Put down your snubs about Clippy and frothing about "EEE" and look at that announcement: > " Business Chat works across the LLM, the Microsoft 365 apps, and your data — your calendar, emails, chats, documents, meetings and contacts — to do things you’ve never been able to do before. You can gi…

Clippy just got hench.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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I consider the MS Language Servers pretty much the most important bit of vscodes IDE functionality as it provides autocompletion, lookup, refactoring etc, which is the feature i was specifically thinking of here. They were originally all open source, but aren't anymore. they're still free (as in beer), but their licence only allows usage with the official visual studio code distribution

The thing is that those extensions are Microsoft's, and as problematic as some people consider the situation to be, Microsoft has all the right to limit the licence for these extensions. The inconvenient answer: want another C# extension? Tough luck, write it yourself. This is essentially what LLVM did for C/C++ linting, and produced Clangd, and many people now consider it to be superior to the Microsoft C/C++ linter…

Nobody is arguing that they don’t have the right to. This is such an American argument of last resort I have no idea how we always end up here.

I’m not nearly as anti-modern-Microsoft as some of the people here, but even I know that “they have the right to” is moving the goalposts.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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Hurrah! Now we can enter 3 bullet points, have an AI automatically turn them into 3 pages of waffle, and then copilot can automatically summarise those back into bullet points again.

Imagine the disconnect as nobody in the company will know what is going on when everything is auto-generated and people are only reading summaries.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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I dont remember a single time when people supposedly said that EEE wasn't still being done. There are just countless examples of people misattributing everything to be EEE. Vscode is another recent example of Microsoft still doing EEE by first creating the editor, destroying a lot of the IDE/editor ecosystem, just to eventually remove the important bits into non-free plugins, making the free version of codium basical…

It actually kind of directly links to Microsoft's strategy, because Atom was the original Electron editor, and Atom was created by GitHub, who was purchased by Microsoft, after which Atom was ~extinguised~ deprecated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(text_editor)

Sigh. We all know what Atom is. This isn’t the same thing.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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Shipping at big companies can often be surprisingly hard so it's impressive to see how fast Microsoft is moving with AI integration into all their products.

It is also impressive how slow they deliver the option of ungrouping taskbar icons, which is requested by masses for years now, and actually worked before. I know, I know, that is a much harder poblem than AI. Maybe they need to improve AI much more first so it could have superhuman powers, solving the task bar ungrouping problem finally for the humanity.

Microsoft doesn’t lose points for not prioritising your personal workflow gripes as a power-user. Honestly anyone that prioritised working on this based purely on what you’ve described would NOT be a good product owner.

Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work

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> now we'll have to wonder whether Manager X is even paying attention to the emails they're reading and responding to, or doing any actual work or thinking If my experience in engineering is anything to go by, this worry existed since the dawn of middle management. AI just makes it give good responses instead.

"BingBot, could you please write an email subtly undermining inter–team cohesion by hinting at gossipy shit-talk without mentioning it explicitly, and also praise my report in a way that demonstrates I don't know or appreciate what they've been doing for the past 2 years, calibrated to hurt their self-confidence without quite causing them to quit?"

You are all presumably incredibly privileged tech workers that are free to find a better place to work instead of acting like this shit is inherent in a workplace, because it isn’t.
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