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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #277
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #126

What's amazing about all it is that HP being hostile to its own customers is nothing new: - In 2005, they had one printer that refused to print if the cartridge was past a certain date, even if full. Several also underestimated the volume of ink in cartridges and told you it was empty when not. - In 2007, HP refused to honor hardware warranty if you install any other OS on their laptop. - in 2010, HP refused to provi…

>in 2020 they hardcoded the path to the EFI of their laptop to be windows only. So you can't install Linux at all on HPs post-2020?

cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi 1>/dev/null 2>&1

cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi 1>/dev/null 2>&1

:D

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by BMorearty »

manyxcxi wrote: post #216
ph4te wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on the Brother printers, I’ve only had two Brothers in the past 13 years, and the only reason I upgraded was to go from Black and White Laser, to Color Laser, it was still going strong. The best part about it was you would buy a toner cartridge and when it would tell you it’s getting low, put some electrical tape over the clear hole in the side and it would continue to print for another 1.5k. On top of that I…

I have a 15 year old Brother black and white laser all-in-one and a 6 year old black and white laser with Wi-Fi still on the starter toner in my office. They work on Linux, Mac, and Windows. I can print to the Wi-Fi one from my iPhone. In over 20 combined years I’ve never had a paper jam, magically been out of toner, or found myself in a pinch. The new(er) one has a very low power deep sleep so I don’t even have to f…

Even if your old one does start to go bad, I discovered it can be more effective to repair than replace for a multifunction printer/scanner. My old Brother was on the fritz a year ago. After being shocked by prices for new ones, I found a printer repair shop across the Bay from me. They fixed it for much less than the price of a new one. And they told me to keep it as long as I can because it’s such a good piece of hardware.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by _fat_santa »

manyxcxi wrote: post #216
ph4te wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on the Brother printers, I’ve only had two Brothers in the past 13 years, and the only reason I upgraded was to go from Black and White Laser, to Color Laser, it was still going strong. The best part about it was you would buy a toner cartridge and when it would tell you it’s getting low, put some electrical tape over the clear hole in the side and it would continue to print for another 1.5k. On top of that I…

I have a 15 year old Brother black and white laser all-in-one and a 6 year old black and white laser with Wi-Fi still on the starter toner in my office. They work on Linux, Mac, and Windows. I can print to the Wi-Fi one from my iPhone. In over 20 combined years I’ve never had a paper jam, magically been out of toner, or found myself in a pinch. The new(er) one has a very low power deep sleep so I don’t even have to f…

I bought a basic B&W brother toner printer back in college and it's still kicking on the original toner. I love the thing because it just freaking works, always worked out of the box on Windows/Mac and Linux with no additional drivers (there is one but it worked fine without them).

I've got the HL-L2300D and I recommend it to anyone that just 'needs a damn printer'.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

drstewart wrote: post #280
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #225

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Who said anything about a loss? We allow corporations to make a profit as motivation to actually do things, but if the things they are doing are not in the best interests of society then we should dismantle them. The phrasing of your statement is quite illustrative of the problem, I think. We have had it drilled into our heads that society should serve the corporation, which exists only for profit, and that this is n…

"Dismantle" "excise" - funny words for unemploying thousands of people because you don't like their approach to selling printer ink. I think we should "excise" cancers that are callous about sweeping societal and economic effects based on their personal whims.

> "Dismantle" "excise" - funny words for unemploying thousands of people because you don't like their approach to selling printer ink.

We put people in prison because we don't like them selling drugs. If that makes sense, so does this.

Besides, those people can (theoretically) get other jobs. And if we're really worried about it, then 'excise' in this case can just mean nationalizing the company.

To say that we should continue to employ people to make the world worse for the sake of economy is just the broken window fallacy.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by yencabulator »

rookderby wrote: post #261
lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

I have a brother printer/scanner as well (model HL-L2395DW). I've been using at home since 2020 to supplement at-home office and school work once the pandemic started. It takes third-party black toner cartridges that you can buy from amazon/office stores. It's never jammed, I've replaced the starter toner cartridge, and have fed it several reams of paper. Scanning works well with a USB cable to PC and wireless printi…

You are completely ignoring the role of newer firmware being the part that enforces this.

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Post by passwordoops »

jstanley wrote: post #228
passwordoops wrote: post #54

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I had an experience in another industry similar to what printers are doing. We used to use standard, easy-to-source-from-3rd-party 6-port valves on one of our instruments. Customers loved it, since the valve would need servicing now and then with replacement parts but the company president only saw lost recurring service and support revenue. To complement that perception, the VP Engineering decided "our systems shoul…

How can it be the exact same valve, and yet also be cheaper, and yet also perform worse?

Fair question given a lack of details.

Cheaper: we got rid of the supplier mounting, so even counting the BOM of the new box and manifold, we saved about 5-10%

Worse performance: The extra connectors on the manifold increased the total volume the sample passed through, which gave a lower resolution (this was a chromatography system). Nothing that wouldn't pass spec, but visibly degraded compared to the original system. There's also more potential for minor leaks because with the manifold you now have an additional 12 connection points to worry about

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Post by RajT88 »

cricalix wrote: post #134
RajT88 wrote: post #127

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I recently bought an old Brother laserjet for 100 bucks off Craigslist. The guy thought he was scamming me, because the autofeed tray didn't work. I'll get that fixed in due time. But the manual feed tray which still takes a stack of 15-20 pages works fine. The bigger issue is my wife tells me I can't drill another hole for an Ethernet jack for it and have to make it wireless...

Do you need it to be available over wireless for direct printing, or just on the network without making holes? If it's the latter, are you aware of Ethernet over power (aka powerline networking)?

Yep. Tried that long before we bought the printer; won't work here. And yes, it's the latter - no holes.

I settled on trying one of these things or similar:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014SK2H6W

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by xbar »

lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

I'm keeping my HP color inkjet for what it's good at: scanning and printing in color.

I'm buying a Brother laser today. I've hated this HP since I bought it, but it was a necessary evil for raising elementary school-aged children.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by passwordoops »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #275
passwordoops wrote: post #217

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For the record I disagreed with the decision, and eventually left them shortly after (not just over this) but you're putting a very unfair statement out there. First, it's basically every company that's doing this, and it's the logical next step when growth is the target. Even at the time, they used Apple as an example to be emulated with their anti-consumer practices. Which feeds the next point: the problem ultimate…

If you're legitimately going to be on the street if you don't work this job, that's what malicious compliance is for. Sabotage this bullshit, if you can. Put in a backdoor and release the details online. If you can't, well, that's a tough place to be and I won't judge, but the majority of the time people in a position to make the world worse aren't. Your reasoning illustrates the problem of "no individual snowflake i…

I totally get what you're saying, and you're right on how individual choices add up, (concentration camp guards were also just following orders after all) and tbh younger me would be like "let's blow some shit up!"... But I have a mortgage and kids to support, and this shittification hasn't reached the point where guerilla subterfuge makes it on my to do list.

Having said that, I do try to fight back in whatever capacity I can by not supporting those decisions at work, and as a consumer by avoiding crap, DIYing and repairing as much as I can, and "fuck your new streaming plan, I know how to download shit" while making sure my kids also know how and why dad does it this way

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