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Are you planning to join a class action lawsuit so you can get your money back?
I would suggest reading all the disclaimers and screens one has to review (or skip, at their own peril) in order to actually get access to FSD Beta. You would likely not believe a Class Action lawsuit is a cakewalk if you read those screens...
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FSD Beta is a free[1] opt-in beta. You have to basically drive like a grandpa for a few months to even be eligible. They give you a driving score, and if you take all the fun out of driving a Tesla, then you might become eligible for FSD Beta. I spent months trying, and never got my driving score to the point of qualifying for FSD Beta. I think you need to have of a score of 98 or 99 (and I was in the 70s). [1] The B…
FSD Beta still costs $15k just to be part of the beta program. Yes, you have to pay $15k just to apply to the beta program, and you still may not get accepted into the program.
Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…
Makes me think karpathys "bet" on vision being the only sensor was maybe misguided
Tesla software is used far, far, far more, in far, far more situation. Even compare those to things is kind of silly.
Its like comparing a system designed for only race tracks with Honda Civic. They are simply not designed for the same thing.
If Mercedes achieves L3 in all the places Tesla now allows AP (or FSD Beta) then that would prove the 'bet' on vision wrong.
Until then, nobody has proven anything.
Dumb question: why would anyone sign-up for a beta program, that could kill you if gone wrong? (maybe people just don't think through ramifications)
Note that this recall just means that there's a regulator-mandated patch, not that FSD is being removed.
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When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF with no intervention does that not make it bullshit anymore?
FSD requires you to be 100% in control of the vehicle for the entire drive, and paying full attention to the driving, and also do nothing. This is demonstrably not a task that anyone can do, let alone Joa[n] Average car driver. Highly trained pilots are not expected to do that, and that's when autopilot is being used in a vehicle that can provide significant amounts of time to handle the autopilot going wrong - serio…
nit: Jo[a]n
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You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars. I think Elon can make good money from that alone.
I'm not sure that the people who want one of those will want them if: * they are not the first (or in the first ~50 or so) to get there * they have a lot of money and a lot of income on Earth This is kind of a glory-seeking thing for people who haven't made a name for themselves otherwise. Rich people would want to have a return flight. That is not a recipe for making a ton of money.
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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
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Teslas don't have cruise control ?! The arrogance...
they meant "save a few thousand dollars so my Tesla can just have the ordinary cruise control that it comes with, without the autopilot which I believe to be unusable"
All Teslas come with Autopilot. It's adaptive cruise control and automatic steering that will keep you in your lane. It's awesome, and I love it.
"Enhanced" autopilot, which currently is $6000 extra, is automatic lane change, automatically taking exits, summon, and automatic parking.
The automatic lane change is nice, but it fails too often to be worth thousands of dollars. All the rest of the features are basically party tricks.
If I could have automatic lane changes for much less, I'd happily pay extra for it.
Edit: Enhanced Autopilot was $7k extra when I bought my 2nd Tesla, now it's $6k extra.