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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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lithium batteries are easy and profitable to recycle. Yes, something is lost (recycling isn't free), but it isn't going to into a landfill.

Less than 1 percent of Lithium-ion batteries get recycled in the US and EU. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/lithium-costs-a-lot-...

Do you think Apple stores recycle more or less than that 1% figure?

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Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions - sure, iOS lets you have (somewhat weaker) adblock, but there's a whole world of useful extensions beyond that. And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers, and some of us like to be able to use less-hobbled software on them.

> You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable.

Its far too early to claim USB-C will be the final version of USB cabling? Looking around, I have devices that use

USB Type B (Scanner)

USB Mini B (charging wireless keyboard),

USB Micro B (PS4 controller, Fire Tablet, Arduinos/Raspi),

USB 3.0 Type A (Flash Drives),

USB 3.0 Type B (Astro camera),

USB 3.0 Micro B (SATA->USB device),

Many of these end with a USB Type A, but not all.

And of course, the "final version", USB-C (Oculus, Pixel, Macbook). And I have a bunch of USBA-USB-C cables and converting plugs.

And of course I have lightning devices, some older than the USB Type B Scanner.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Drastically still looks way lower than Samsung flagships (12GB).

iOS has historically done a lot better with less RAM (as far as how snappy and responsive it feels) than Android. Dunno if that's still the case, but it very much was for years and years.

MacOS manages better than Windows as well. Apple seems to have really good memory management. I don’t know enough to know what they are doing, but in day to day tasks it always feels like a Mac/ iPhone needs half as much memory to feel responsive. Memory intensive work, such as video editing still require what they require though.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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post #249

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lithium batteries are easy and profitable to recycle. Yes, something is lost (recycling isn't free), but it isn't going to into a landfill.

Less than 1 percent of Lithium-ion batteries get recycled in the US and EU. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/lithium-costs-a-lot-...

I can't read the study (published in India?), but I would dispute the data.

> This hasn’t worked for lithium batteries, partly because so many formats exist. “These batteries are all over the place in different sizes,” he said. A related challenge is that the technology for lithium batteries changes rapidly — every one to two years, he said.

(edit: I found a working link to the article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41745-021-00269-7)

Apple is not throwing lithium batteries into landfills, and it is the one doing the replacement. Tesla is definitely not doing this, so what is left?

Probably those lithium rechargeable batteries you can buy on Amazon?

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

Apple’s secret sauce is their long-term focus, colored strongly by their many awful experiences being held hostage by CPU manufacturers. They’ve re-architected their entire software stack on multiple occasions to deal with manufacturing partners who could no longer keep up.

For example, it was a big deal when they moved from IBM/Motorola to Intel, and Macs started getting much faster right away. A decade later and Intel is struggling to keep up at the high end, woefully behind in low-power contexts, and Apple is again hamstrung in their plans.

So at some point they decided to make their own chips. Well, to design them, and to use their leverage with TMSC to get them made exclusively. It’s true that they have fewer dependencies than a more general-purpose manufacturer like Intel, but don’t discount the many years they’ve spent eating shit while waiting for their “partners” to catch up. In the CPU space, they’ll never do that again.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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> Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? It's like football game for geeks, it's not a big deal. It's fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. On a more serious note, I prefer Apple's style of doing things and pray to the gods Android doesn't obliterate Apple's OS. Just last week I got my hands on a Amazon Fire TV, it was cool until the AirScreen app s…

I got a Shield to try to save some cash, getting hardware with a good TV interface that could do h.265 decoding. Bugfest and terrible (and goddamn laggy ) UI. Ended up on an AppleTV, which is what I should have gotten in the first place I guess. Every time I try to save money by avoiding Apple I end up paying far more for it in jank, lost time, and frustration. I hate how shit my other options are in nearly all of Ap…

I tried a few times over the years saving money by not buying Apple, all ended up in frustration. I hope the competition catches up with Apple because I would love having options even if I stick with Apple.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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I bought an iPhone 14 pro. Switched back to my s21 within two weeks. On apple, the animations are slicker, the hardware much better, and arguably the software stack higher quality. The Bluetooth audio quality was noticeably better on every device I used, from old car to brand new stereo. But the always on display isnt as good, focus modes didn't work quite like I wanted, widgets are less powerful, the notifications U…

same experience here but am a pixel person, not samsung. why is the notification experience on iOS so bad? it feels like doing chores. i figure system settings are annoying because the default is good enough for most users.

My main gripe was that each notification was a separate bar item that I had to clear out - five messages from the same person in the same app, is five notification bars in the menu. And the "smart" grouping I don't think fixes that.

I like MacOS okay, but re: notifications, they too have this abysmally small "X" to clear out notifications. They're just... annoying.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Apps taking longer to launch is generally a RAM issue (unless you swipe up and force-close your apps each time). They drastically increased RAM recently: https://9to5mac.com/2022/12/31/iphone-ram-list/

Drastically still looks way lower than Samsung flagships (12GB).

That's a totally different system architecture and a different OS and a different memory structure for apps, so direct comparisons don't apply.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

Does Apple really have some secret sauce, or are they just consistently first in line for TSMC's latest process? Not saying that's better or worse, but it's a very different problem.

Apple (and Nvidia) can afford to pay to be first in line for the latest TSMC process. But that alone doesn't explain why Apple's 2.5 year old mid-range offering is faster than the latest and greatest from Samsung.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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post #162

Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? The interesting point here, which is corroborated by different sources than just TFA, is that Apple's silicon is 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else. Whether you like iPhone or Android, I think we should all agree that's a bad situation for the world to be in. Apple's advantage in mobile CPUs is coming at a time when…

> Everyone in this thread is arguing about operating systems and their mobile OS preference... why? It's like football game for geeks, it's not a big deal. It's fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. On a more serious note, I prefer Apple's style of doing things and pray to the gods Android doesn't obliterate Apple's OS. Just last week I got my hands on a Amazon Fire TV, it was cool until the AirScreen app s…

Eh, I think it’s somewhat of a big deal because (to stick with your analogy), just like football, it can be all consuming if left unchecked. I’d argue it’s because the anti-Apple zealots are much louder, but even if one disagrees, the result is the same: the comment thread for pretty much every HN post even tangentially involving Apple becomes a platform war.

Like you, I prefer Cupertino’s way of doing things and would like to have measured conversations about the same without the BS diatribes from the haters. Impossible to do around here and has been for years.

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