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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by hellojesus »

mrjnumber1 wrote: post #249
hellojesus wrote: post #123

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What in the writings of marx/engels/et al has anything to do with blue comedy?

My comment was specifically referring to transphobia (or more appropriately anything that doesn't paint trans% in a supportive light) being rehashed Marxism. For detail there: https://www.stitcher.com/show/new-discourses/episode/queer-t...

""" We often hear that Woke Marxism is a new ideology in the world. I've even said so. Well, it isn't. It's just an old one repackaged in various ways without any essential changes made to it at all. Critical Race Theory is Race Marxism in the same way as what we usually call Marxism is Class Marxism. Radical Feminism is Sex Marxism. Gender ideology and Queer Theory are Sex, Gender, and Sexuality Marxism, or just Gender Marxism or Sexual Marxism to be more concise. Fat studies is Fat Marxism. Disability studies is Ability Marxism. Critical Education Theory (Critical Pedagogy) is Knowledge Marxism in terms of what it means to be formally educated or literate within the existing system. Postmodern postructuralism is Language Marxism. Postcolonial Theory is National Origin Marxism. And on it goes, with all of these cobbled together by intersectionality, which is Identity Marxism. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, James Lindsay breaks down the essential kernel of Marxist thought and makes perfectly clear how all of the claims in this paragraph are true. Join him to understand what's going on in our world today in these simple, straightforward, yet sobering terms. """

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ihateyouall123 »

indy wrote: post #182
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

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Post by nverno »

ben_w wrote: post #226
coding123 wrote: post #165

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I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise. Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. (And whatever the merits and demerits of unrestricted free speech, a machine that isn't deemed capable of personhood shouldn't g…

This is a good analogy. Mob justice will always be crude and ruthless - cancellation is a relatively fangless variety.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by causi »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #217
causi wrote: post #146

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Am I wrong in thinking that getting your feelings hurt by an AI making an offensive joke is the equivalent of thinking you've been doxxed when a random number generator spits out your phone number?

Yes because you are treating a sequence of words the same as a pseudorandom generator. The former has a probability distribution of sequences reflective of the dataset and context whereas the latter is pure random chance assuming input seed is random.

It's just a program, though. It has no bigotry. You don't punish a machine, you correct it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by _cenw »

mrozbarry wrote: post #269
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

I think this is a perfect summation of the issue. Not allowing public discourse will always result in entrenche, extreme, and polarizing views.

As an affected individual: Public discourse on this issue is plentiful and, unfortunately, usually full of wrong information, misconceptions and "my favorite scientist said otherwise" (probably on the JRE, against a dozen or so professional medical associations) gotchas from exterminationist groups that get invited on to have a "balanced" conversation.

Transgender people do not have large political or economic impact either. We kind of rely on the few media outlets that do their due dilligence to not platform the already entrenched, extreme and polarized, who then go on to claim the discourse is being supressed.

The tone in the US is even worse. We went from the edge of the overton window being "I have empathy for their delusion but they can't pick their bathroom" conservatives to "The trannys are all secret pedophiles that want to corrupt our children, we need to return the death penalty for such degeneracy" conservatives in barely 10 years.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by throwaway894345 »

RockyMcNuts wrote: post #228
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. similar thing with trans people, you mention them and trolls come out of the woodwork saying they should kill themselves. there are a lot of horrible people and trollish behaviors online, and sometimes the only…

Honestly it kind of feels like this is an argument for getting rid of social media altogether rather than filtering social media through a narrow ideological lens (which has no problem with trolling other groups, by the way).

This comment is only slightly tongue-in-cheek.

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Post by widowlark »

version_five wrote: post #234
Pyramus wrote: post #214

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Isn't the purpose of machine learning to learn something, not nothing/randomness?

The point is that whether it's an RNG or language model or just a program printing a list of numbers like I posted, it's just a state machine spitting stuff out, it has no intention. So it's not really productive to get mad at it just because it produced something you don't like. The language model is spitting out random stuff based on the representation it has learned. It doesn't know what it means, nobody is making…

I think it's fair to say that the anger people might feel is probably directed at the creators/owners of the AI, rather than the AI itself

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Post by marcusverus »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

> Would it have been OK to make a joke about 9/11 victims while they were still digging people out of the wreckage?

This is a good question! Who should be asking it? Comedians, or the morality police?

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Post by thatswrong0 »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #230
indy wrote: post #182

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Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

As a society we shouldn't tolerate the intolerant, those who seek every excuse to vilify and target minorities. FYI, certain prominent political leaders said they’d outlaw certain minorities and make the lives of people living hell. Personally i am not fond of seeing friends and family suffer at the hand of fascists. @Dang, since when is paraphrasing Popper and restating the statements of people without a sliver of m…

The problem I'm seeing is that with some regularity, people are being designated as "intolerant" for simply asking questions, deviating slightly from the most up-to-date acceptable opinion, or just not keeping up with what is the correct opinion to have now. Applying nuance and assuming that others _might_ have good intentions isn't really in vogue.
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