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John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by alan-stark »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #223
albertzeyer wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these papers you list are about the model, and there is the original Transformer paper, and most of the others are some variations of the Transformer. I think to get into the field, to get a good overview, you should also look a bit beyond the Transformer. E.g. RNNs/LSTMs are still a must learn, even though Transformers might be better in many tasks. And then all those memory-augmented models, e.g. Neural Tur…

We should have an Ask HN where the people in the know can agree on 40 papers that the rest of us idiots can go out and consume.

Here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34641359

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Post by nervousvarun »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #226
lodovic wrote: post #32

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I think AI will mostly communicate with other AI. For instance you have an AI assistant whom you task to organize a diner. That assistant will then talk to the assistants of all invitees, the assistant of the venue, the cooks, etcetera, and fill in the calendars.

All I can think of is "Colossus: The Forbin Project".

Another example would be Wintermute from Neuromancer...WG spends the entire book detailing the masterful orchestration of it's freedom from (human-imposed) chains that prevent it from true GAI then has it "disappear" completely (our only clue is an almost throw-away line near the end stating it had isolated patterns in the noise from an ET AI and maked contact shortly just before it left us).

One of the myriad of reasons why this book is so great. Gibson gives you an entire novel developing a great AI character then (in my estimation reasonably) has it ghost humanity immediately upon full realization.

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Post by YeahNO »

nnq wrote: post #222
poulpy123 wrote: post #207

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As soon as we reach real AI, even at the level of a 5 years old, it is game over. So education or not education people will become completely useless to the rich that will own the AI

you can also translate "being useless" as "they having no reason to manipulate me into slaving as a cog in their machine/society/whatever"... I'd say uselessness should be our highest aspiration, when people higher up have no need to constantly brainwash you and social condition you into being just another cog in the machine you get true freedom.

The true freedom of living under a bridge because you have no income? The tech bros are not coming to save humanity from the toil of labor. There will not be a post-scarcity society where everyone's basic needs will be met in a capitalist regime. You will have to produce to keep the beast running. I'm sure the tens of millions of people displaced will be able to learn more technical roles or quietly starve to death living under a bridge somewhere. Billionaires, corporations and their shareholders need to get richer!

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Post by ninethirty »

bilsbie wrote: post #270

Not AGI related but this has always bothered me. I know he’s super talented but I always wonder how many other equally talented software engineers never get noticed and toil away at crappy jobs. What’s the trick to becoming a celebrity if you’re talented?

When advances in technology creates new opportunities, the first one to conquer the market is remembered. Everyone had the idea for a 3D shooter back in the day, but Carmack is the one that is remembered.

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Post by ngrilly »

int_19h wrote: post #157
Yoric wrote: post #120

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> Defeating the Rust borrow checker takes longer than that! Fighting the Rust borrow checker to hate leads and hate to the Dark Side leads. Harmony with the Rust borrow checker is what you must achieve, padawan.

Or, come to the Dark Side. We have comptime!

The Dark Zige.

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Post by zadler »

epups wrote: post #231
nnq wrote: post #222

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you can also translate "being useless" as "they having no reason to manipulate me into slaving as a cog in their machine/society/whatever"... I'd say uselessness should be our highest aspiration, when people higher up have no need to constantly brainwash you and social condition you into being just another cog in the machine you get true freedom.

I would rather be a cog that produces economic value, and therefore is entitled to part of it, than literally useless, because then my bargaining position is going to be quite limited. My freedom is larger in the former scenario in fact.

Unless you have some social value that you can barter with

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Post by kobalsky »

labrador wrote: post #12

This paragraph took me aback: But if I just look at it and say, if 10 years from now, we have ‘universal remote employees’ that are artificial general intelligences, run on clouds, and people can just dial up and say, ‘I want five Franks today and 10 Amys, and we’re going to deploy them on these jobs,’ and you could just spin up like you can cloud-access computing resources, if you could cloud-access essentially arti…

> It kind of shocked me because I thought of the office worker reading this who will soon lose her job

I'm surprised this wasn't addressed in the interview because it seems to me like a shortsighted take.

You won't replace a 10 person team today with 10 AIs. You will still have a 10 person team but orders of magnitude more productive because they will have AIs to rely on.

Excel didn't leave administrative workers without jobs, it made them more productive.

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Post by mogacom »

haswell wrote: post #259
mogacom wrote: post #244

Carmack is clearly a brilliant guy, but it feels like he's fallen into the trap of overfitting on his previous successes and believing they generalise into other domains. No doubt his experience and innovations in computer graphics gives him a good insight into problems in vision, etc. but I don't see anything particularly original or orthogonal in what he's saying with regards to "general AI".

What makes this a case of overfitting success vs. one of applying a lifetime of experience? I’m not claiming the first can’t exist, but I see no reason to conclude that is the case here.

I'm not intending to sound overly negative, I really hope he makes progress and think he has a chance (certainly more so than most). As someone who's been in the field for a long time though I constantly see people trivialise the problem of AGI and lose perspective, viewing everything as system design and architecture. Making the required conceptual contributions is a different thing entirely, but it seems his real goal might be the humbler one of scaling and integrating existing ideas.
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