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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by thrwawy74 »

I'm pretty happy with Chat GPT. There was yet-another thread about the degradation of Google Search results a few weeks ago and folks here talked about the uselessness of it's results. I remember when my mom taught me to "search like a pro" back in the 90s. She was a librarian and she taught me valuable things before those search parameters were known as "Google hacks". I remember how powerful it felt to be able to find anything related to what I wanted to know. Google still provides useful results - buried in all the crap. There's so much valuable info to find, and so much more crap in 2023. The signal to noise ratio is worse.

So I tried Chat GPT recently and I asked it about something I've never quite understood. "How is an antenna designed to prevent the feedline emanating radio waves?" and it gave me a very focused explanation of how impedance is matched between the feedline and antenna to reduce standing waves and power being reflected back to the transmitter. I was so happy with this, because although i could find countless resources on antenna design they were much too dry for my understanding. I was always lost navigating the text because I didn't have the formal education to piece together 'what they're saying over here relates to what is being said over here'. You have to have a certain level of comprehension with the subject material to locate information.

I think Chat GPT and things like it represent the search engines of tomorrow. There's a DEFINITE risk of creating recycled, incorrect content and prompting it circularly into the same dumpster of misinformation. However, I spent 15-20 minutes re-articulating my question about antennas and "what part of the antenna prevents this?" and I came away very happy with my new understanding.

I'm looking forward to AI-assisted learning, and it feels as magical as Google Search did in the 90s.

In another instance, I asked it how to run a Powershell script on a remote computer with psexec and it produced the correct commands but did not warn me the script had to first be copied over to the remote machine. All good explanations / demonstrations should come with clarifying questions. I'm very happy I can ask technical things like this, embarrassing things, very abstract/broad things, and have an AI that will guide me into new understanding.

Take it all with a grain of salt. Looks like I'll be doing the $20/month for ChatGPT Pro though. It's more valuable and entertaining to my day-to-day curiosities than something like Netflix.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by adventured »

kadoban wrote: post #204
vernon99 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that? I always thought it’s the opposite and platforms like SO and Medium incentivise posting there exactly via their crazy domain ranking.

> How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that? It's unclear, but they do. My guess would be that they're willing to do shadier SEO than SO will, and any that get caught just stand up more domains.

It's usually temporary, until Google tags the copycat site as a spammy content farm and destroys its ability to rank. I haven't seen a site sustain high ranking / lots of traffic through copying Stackoverflow in maybe a decade at this point (since Panda etc.).

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by thrwawy74 »

thrwawy74 wrote: post #281

I'm pretty happy with Chat GPT. There was yet-another thread about the degradation of Google Search results a few weeks ago and folks here talked about the uselessness of it's results. I remember when my mom taught me to "search like a pro" back in the 90s. She was a librarian and she taught me valuable things before those search parameters were known as "Google hacks". I remember how powerful it felt to be able to f…

I think we'll see research into how to appraise AI models for what has been weighted. Whether a model creates objectively fair reasonings or creates something harmful. Also data democratization of these models (having them available outside of large institutions) will be important. At the same time harmful: A comment a few down is mentioning how these things will be used to create AI influencers, or how propaganda campaigns could be entirely automated and deployed against other countries. Very real threats. :(

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by pelasaco »

toyg wrote: post #87
btown wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO it's more vital than ever to fund projects like the Internet Archive. They're the only ones incentivized to maintain a snapshot of un-LLM-clouded training data of human knowledge, unclouded by the hubris of "who cares about the old stuff, we should focus our archiving on the web as it exists today" that inevitably will take hold (or already has) in big tech companies who will have laid off the vast majority of th…

The problem with the Internet Archive, which does an amazing job, is that they do an amazing job despite the problem being fundamentally intractable . Web content expands too quickly and too massively. I wonder if the answer is a network of topic-focused archives; like moving from a "Library of Alexandria" model to a modern nationwide system of libraries.

would be nice if we could have a way to navigate just in the old web...

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by 1270018080 »

JohnFen wrote: post #272
munificent wrote: post #234

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I think trust is somewhat transitive, but it's not domain independent. I have friends whose movie recommendations I trust but whose restaurant recommendations I don't, and vice versa. I have friend that I trust to be witty but not wise and others the opposite. A system that tried to model trust would probably need to support tagging people with what kinds of things you trust them in.

This. Nobody is 100% trustworthy in every circumstance. When I say I trust someone, what I mean is that I have a good handle on what sorts of things that person can be trusted about, and what sorts of things they can't.

I'm sure everyone says that about themselves. It doesn't work out like that though.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by BuckyBeaver »

Ugh, "Web 3.0". The years of "Web 2.0" stupidity were bad enough. People want to revive this ignorance? Then again, they keep churning out the asinine labels for "generations" of people.

In other news: Are we supposed to know what an "onsen" is?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

I think the internet is already there with bots/content farms posting and upvoting garbage on social media.

Begun the Bot Wars have.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by dwallin »

nextaccountic wrote: post #269
prox wrote: post #202

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Curation is the answer. The more junk, the better off are the one curation for quality, relevancy and human interest.

Curation that tracks the provenance. If we receive a string of text by itself we can't do much about it. We need to know from where it came from, whether it was written by a human, etc

Human provenance is less important than human curation here. AI can already infrequently output content that surpasses average human-generated quality in certain categories. As long as in the end you are checking that content exceeds an average bar of quality as assessed by human aesthetics, and ensuring that you have a diverse set of content (eg. not overrepresented by content that AI is particularly good or prolific at), it should still improve outcomes.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by pixl97 »

c7b wrote: post #173
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

> AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content Isn't that extrapolating the current trend a bit too much? Clearly, the text corpora[0] amassed before mass LLM content distribution are already big enough to train such models to decent general language fluency. So why would AI creators contaminate those datasets with potentially spuri…

I mean we all know how adversarial training works as it's already commonly used today. I would not expect that to be useful in the future.
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