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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by bratbag »

sokoloff wrote: post #268
HideousKojima wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Billy Graham/Mike Pence rule is your best bet: don't let yourself be in any situation where a false accusation could arise. Of course you'll be accused of being a sexist/misogynist/whatever instead but that's easier to ignore or overcome than false accusations of sexual harassment.

Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them. I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

At what percentage risk would you change your mind on that?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by dannyr »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #85
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Is it possible to lawyer up and sue for defamation?

Who is suing for defamation? The female boss or the guy?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by dannyr »

grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Isn't every lawsuit an unproven claim?

Are you proposing that the media should stop covering lawsuits?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by undersuit »

sokoloff wrote: post #268
HideousKojima wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Billy Graham/Mike Pence rule is your best bet: don't let yourself be in any situation where a false accusation could arise. Of course you'll be accused of being a sexist/misogynist/whatever instead but that's easier to ignore or overcome than false accusations of sexual harassment.

Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them. I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

"Odd that sokoloff only has private lunches with the new kid that just graduated."

You're not saving yourself from any false accusations. The people you have closed door sessions can accuse you of SA regardless if you're attracted to them.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by lelanthran »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #237
lelanthran wrote: post #142

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> Let's be honest: How often have you heard news about a woman molesting a man vs. a man molesting a woman? How often do you expect to hear about it when all the complaints are officially dismissed and the victim is told to shut up?

Every day ten of thousands of people are being sexually harassed, and a thousand + are being sexually assaulted. We don't hear about the vast majority of these cases, even if they are prosecuted, regardless of the sexes of perpetrator and victim.

> Every day ten of thousands of people are being sexually harassed, and a thousand + are being sexually assaulted. We don't hear about the vast majority of these cases, even if they are prosecuted, regardless of the sexes of perpetrator and victim.

Sure, but because of the way male victims are treated, you hear even less about them than about female victims.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by _8j50 »

lormayna wrote: post #226

> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

Not that I agree and it is more nuanced than this but the argument used to justify such discrimination is compensating for historical exclusivity. Enforce the diversity and let merit catchup someday basically.

I think given modern technology, companies can and should be extremely regulated and monitored on their hiring and firing decisions. At-will should be federally banned. If they define objective, auditable and specific merit based criteria, they should send that information along with every applicant and every decision to look at a resume, interview, call and hire/reject to the EEOC which can look for patterns and investigate on its own to validate the reasons being given in those decisions. I think with that, there could be a path to meritocratic hiring/firing.

But make no mistake, discrimination based on gender, race,etc... is rampant. I am even all for expanding that to cover any arbitrary criteria. If I decide to wear a clown costume to work, the work has to justify why the clown costume materially prevents me from performing profitably.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by bbojan »

vkou wrote: post #208
gedy wrote: post #128

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My last company punished a guy who was accused of some sort sexual harassment by a woman, and they wouldn't tell him who, when, or what the details were. He seemed genuinely confused what it could have been.

Just asking questions, here, but if, hypothetically he actually did do it, and they did tell him, do you think he have been honest with you about it? It's entirely possible that everyone involved knows what's going on, and he's just trying to save face. People do that sometimes, after they misbehave.

So facing your accuser is not a thing anymore?
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