Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art • Hacker News Board

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by root_axis » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 7:41 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #118

root_axis wrote: post #69

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It's a web forum for shitposting, not a government for a country. Using hyperbolic language like "private tyranny" to talk about unpaid moderators curating a stream of news articles and posts typifies the terminally online madness of the current zeitgeist.

It's true, there is no violence involved. Private tyranny is a technical description.

I don't agree that it's a technical description, I'd say it's a political description meant to inflate the perceived harmfulness of what is a completely typical and mundane event on the internet.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by danogentili » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #257

danogentili wrote: post #213

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Sure, different people like different things. Netflix wastes the billions it earns on the really good productions like Arcane into hundreds of garbage statistics-driven shows canceled after the first seasons, because some people like watching meaningful, intent-filled stories made by passionate humans, and others just want anything to play in the background while doing other stuff. And this is precisely why AI art wi…

> And this is precisely why AI art will not be the end of human creativity: humans will keep creating, and other people will like watching the passionate work of other humans, not randomly generated garbage. The problem is going to be if you hollow out the artist ecosystem. If all low-skill SWE work were to be done by AI, and the only humans in the loop were the ones at the top of their field (The twenty-years-of-exp…

I see the logic, however I don't think an analogy with physical product industries is in place here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34277750)

Even if AI were to disrupt entire industries the way delocalization did, until local lawmakers catch up, I think creatives will keep creating regardless, will organize together, form new streaming services and keep creating, because a creative job is something you want to do, not just have to do, like any other assembly line manual job.

I still think passion will make a difference in a post-AI world, even in the worst-case scenario of no legislative action against AI (which is unlikely, looking even just at the current anti-delocalization movement in global politics and lawmaking).

More exclusively commercial and product-driven creative jobs like programming may be impacted more by AI competition than purely creative jobs though (still, I still would've gotten into programming as a kid even with AI competition, simply because it's fun to come up with solutions to problems).

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by lgreiv » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 7:54 PM UTC

lifefeed wrote: post #76

Those hands have the right number of fingers. So either 1) It's not AI-generated art, or 2) It is AI-generated art and the artist is a master at prompting. Either way they should be celebrated.

This person knows what they are talking about. Although I have been pretty successful in obtaining realistic hands by prompting photographs and including make of a camera, lens and film [1][2]. Somehow this seems to narrow down the model to mostly produce realistic output. Still, some variants will occasionally feature Chernobyl-levels of fingers.

[1] https://cdn.midjourney.com/6f52a6e9-b3f2-4830-81b1-84c8f8ca4...

[2] https://cdn.midjourney.com/361e143f-5121-4bff-ada9-069c2e400...

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by prettyStandard » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 7:57 PM UTC

kibwen wrote: post #272

prettyStandard wrote: post #243

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It's called "the defaults".

The concept of default subreddits stopped existing in 2017.

Oh wow. I've effectively been off reddit for years now, didn't realize they got rid of the defaults entirely, now I'm curious.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by monocasa » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 7:58 PM UTC

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #261

bitwize wrote: post #180

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It's common knowledge now that abstaining from politics is taking the side of the oppressor. This has the effect of giving many subreddits and other topical communities a political orientation even if politics is nominally offtopic. To give an example, it is increasingly hard to find an online knitting community that tolerates conservative viewpoints; most have followed the lead of Ravelry.

This absurd beyond belief. Knitting has precisely nothing to do with politics, so I struggle to imagine what "conservative knitting viewpoints" even are. Or liberal ones, for that matter. Cross-stitching is a tool of systemic racism? Purl stitching is inviting the illegals to tukk-urr-jurrbs? To me phrases like "abstaining from politics is taking the side of the oppressor" are just so damn American. You guys, more th…

One example of the top of my head: knitting is probably one of the most heavily gendered hobbies, which carries a ton of political baggage with it wrt gender politics.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by richbell » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 8:01 PM UTC

13of40 wrote: post #276

richbell wrote: post #267

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Oh, I guess I misinterpreted that because it's a bizarre speculation. Shwartzworld is correct, the votes are fuzzed and deliberately fluctuate so that it's difficult for bots to tell whether they've been detected.

I was talking about a button that sets the score for a single submission to zero and makes it stick. I know the numbers are fuzzed, but I don't think fuzzing will take something with a score of 1 and show it as 0.

I highly doubt such a button exists.

> I don't think fuzzing will take something with a score of 1 and show it as 0.

If one or more people decided to mass downvote new submissions (which isn't exactly uncommon), or the submissions are controversial, they will show as 0 even if they're actually -/+ 2 (for example).

If you decided to mass upvote them you will initially see the total increment by one, however, subsequent refreshes will show you fuzzed numbers. I believe the more active you are (e.g., upvoting 30 posts in the span of a minute), the more aggressive the fuzziness will be.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by kibwen » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 8:02 PM UTC

prettyStandard wrote: post #284

kibwen wrote: post #272

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The concept of default subreddits stopped existing in 2017.

Oh wow. I've effectively been off reddit for years now, didn't realize they got rid of the defaults entirely, now I'm curious.

AFAIK, these days the content shown when visiting the home page at https://reddit.com is exclusively comprised of subreddits that you're subscribed to. You can visit https://reddit.com/r/popular to see an algorithmic page from subreddits that have opted-in to it, which is mostly dominated by like 50 mega-subreddits but the algorithm is still capable of surfacing small subreddits once in a while (it's not just based on absolute number of votes, it's also has a votes-per-number-of-views component or something). And if you're not logged in, you just get /r/popular when visiting https://reddit.com . (However, I rarely use either of those features, I only have the one subreddit I care about, so I could be inaccurate.)

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by richbell » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 8:08 PM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #265

thechao wrote: post #178

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Reddit's business is to house all of the echo-chambers, though, isn't it? That seems like a great business to be in, during this Heyday of Echo Chamber Construction™.

>"all of the echo-chambers" All of the like-minded echo-chambers. They seem to have no appetite for certain heresies and have walked back Aaron Swartz' original emphasis on free speech as a virtue.

> All of the like-minded echo-chambers. They seem to have no appetite for certain heresies and have walked back Aaron Swartz' original emphasis on free speech as a virtue.

Reddit is ultimately amoral, despite the sensibilities of its moderators, imo. They want to sell ads and IPO, thus they've been increasingly purging communities, posts, and individuals that are either not advertiser-friendly or create trouble.

Even as a casual user of the site, I have noticed a sharp increase in the number of submissions and comments that get Removed by Reddit (i.e., administrators) for no reason. I think they just went completely 'mask-off' after the debacle with Aimee Challenor.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by deely3 » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 8:12 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #203

andsoitis wrote: post #12

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What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

The first person rules forever is almost the worst possible model. Assigning modship randomly would be better.

Erm. I can't agree. How is this different from be the first person that invent something, or be the first person that organize people around some new idea, or first person to create company?

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by paisawalla » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 8:14 PM UTC

schwartzworld wrote: post #239

vikingerik wrote: post #128

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Why do Reddit moderators do their work? They are paid in power. They get to decide what viewpoints are seen or not by others. That is a very compelling wage. And of course they all think they're doing a service by advancing their ideology because of course their ideology is the right one.

That may be true of the big subreddits. I moderate a small, niche one simply because I was visiting it every day for years and then they needed a mod. I saw it as a chance to improve an online space that I liked.

This is a common pattern with all organizations, but especially charities, non-profits, or volunteer roles. At first, the work is done by those who love that cause, and commonly some combination of

- the cause becomes prominent enough that there is influence or prestige associated with the role now, that it attracts power-seeking personalities

- the original founders are too burnt out to care, or clueless/trusting such that they get outmaneuvered by savvier entrants

Personally, I see it as the entropic drift of an organization away from an original cause or mission (order) towards a vehicle for the pure exercise power (chaos).