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Post by RektBoy »

p-e-w wrote: post #7

Sad to see this go. I was an early adopter of Atom, and I wrote two extensions for it, one of which while it was still in beta. The Atom developers made some technology choices that in retrospect were ill-advised, CoffeeScript being the worst of them and splitting everything into dozens of packages a close second. They tried to backpedal on both of these later on, but by that time VSCode, with its far superior engine…

VScode is also crap. It doesn't even support multi screen multi-window, heh no thank you. I can't comprehend, how anybody can use VScode for any real work.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by nverno »

satvikpendem wrote: post #186
kuratkull wrote: post #131

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If we're talking about professional tools i'm not sure if setting it up as fast as possible is the best productivity comparison. All good tools need getting to know them, and setting things up yourself (eg. in vim) means you also know how to fix any issues that pop up in the future. Installing a vscode plugin for playing around is great, but it doesn't automatically make you a professional and stable production envir…

On the contrary, working in a professional environment, almost no one I know is using vim or Emacs seriously day to day for coding. We all use VSCode because that is a tool that just works for our team and company. Having a unified tool set works wonders for group productivity, no more messing around with some employees not having a certain package and others needing to customize their vim configs. No, everything sim…

I don't understand, what config is necessary to work on the same codebase? Whatever program I use to open source code, eg. emacs or vscode, shouldn't matter should it?

The only time I ever had to use vscode working with other programmers was for pair programming, using the vscode sharing thing. Apart for that, not being able to use emacs would be a deal breaker - using other editors is like wading through quicksand for me.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by herbst »

p-e-w wrote: post #115
JonathonW wrote: post #90

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"VSCode is the greatest productivity tool in the history of software engineering" in a world where vi and emacs exist seems like a bit of an exaggeration, and I'm not even a fan of either (VS Code is my daily driver; I like my GUI editors and I like them to behave like normal apps on the platform I'm running).

Vim and Emacs cannot compare to VSCode when it comes to productivity. With VSCode, you type the name of any programming language in the extension search, click "Install", and you have a world-class development environment for that language ready to go. This is light years ahead of the traditional editors, and saves many hours of time. Not to mention that VSCode has countless other productivity boosters built in which…

A whole bunch of people still prefer not to have an Appstores in their apps. It's not like this things are god given improvements. Time safer maybe.

People handle their Emacs config files like little shareable babies. That is not even on the same level as 'click and ready' fully unpersonalized environments.

I am a lazy atom, soon sublime user tho.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by daemond »

p-e-w wrote: post #7

Sad to see this go. I was an early adopter of Atom, and I wrote two extensions for it, one of which while it was still in beta. The Atom developers made some technology choices that in retrospect were ill-advised, CoffeeScript being the worst of them and splitting everything into dozens of packages a close second. They tried to backpedal on both of these later on, but by that time VSCode, with its far superior engine…

Yes, the star number of VSCode surpassed Atom in April 2018, 2 months before GitHub was acquired. https://ossinsight.io/analyze/atom/atom?vs=microsoft%2Fvscod...

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by Hoasi »

RIP Atom. It was a great few years using it before switching back to Coda > Nova a while ago after the GitHub acquisition when it became clear development was no longer a priority.

Sometimes products reach a natural end of life, but it also highlights the importance of supporting open source.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

fragmede wrote: post #250
unsafecast wrote: post #239

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I have never, in my life, used an electron program that isn't irritatingly slow on my main computer. Yes, it's not something you'd probably call a fast computer (4th gen i3, 4GB ram), but this same computer doesn't drop a frame in equivalent native programs. Most of the time the CPU is almost idle. I have nothing intrinsic against electron, and I'll take everything back if I see these "natural fits" actually fit.

It sounds like your 8 year old computer can't keep with today's technology. If it's possible, might I suggest upgrading your computer? A more modern system would let you run Electron apps without being irritatingly slow. It seems silly that I had to upgrade my laptop in order to run a text editor, but it seems that's just the world we live in.

> A more modern system would let you run Electron apps without being irritatingly slow.

That's the problem though: it won't. There is no modern system on which Electron apps run without being irritatingly slow.

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Post by Maken »

p-e-w wrote: post #75
esprehn wrote: post #32

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Atom predated the LSP and leaned heavily into customizations with all the plugins running inside the UI thread (more like a traditional web page and 3p scripts). At the time they viewed the extreme customization support as a feature, and there was a thriving ecosystem of folks making plugins. That architecture has a major flaw though. A default install was fast, but a real configuration with all the plugins ended up…

VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with wh…

You are definitely over-hyping VS Code, but it definitely has a killer feature: being the only modern IDE (Sublime Text aside) that doesn't slow to a crawl when opening any file larger than a few hundred lines of code.

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Post by nix23 »

Emigre_ wrote: post #275
steve1977 wrote: post #141

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> VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. That must be one of the saddest things I read this month.

It made me sad as well. It’s interesting that it did. I think it’s related to the fact that I read it in HN I guess, and what kind of commentary do I seek and enjoy when roaming around here. Although of course I respect the commenter’s opinion, and we can all politely disagree and have different points of view, for some reason when I read this one I felt a certain degree of sadness.

Maybe it's the stagnation in our field the "it's good enough" mentality.
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