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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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You're free to buy an Android device if Apple devices don't suit your needs.

And if you don't want to pay the fee required to sell in this specific appstore, make it a website.

After all, you don't get to sell your Etsy products in the shelves of local supermarkets for free either.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I like being able to trust my device and my kids device, if you wan't something to hack on get a pinephone or something the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information, fininaces and lives and apple's policies while sometimes annoying do a lot to build that trust they aren't a big secret and if you don't like it you're free to not buy their products

Apple could still have a "developer" mode you have to jump through a complicated technical process to enable...just like MacOS let's you disable system integrity protection by running a terminal command and rebooting into a boot disk then running another terminal command. It could void support plans so it's not Apple's problem. That wouldn't affect your kids and telling Grandma how to do that over the phone is very d…

Ok. But now imagine that using Facebook or TikTok in the browser on your Mac is a terrible, pared down experience, full of banners pushing you to get the app. But the app isn’t on the App Store, where there are rules, it’s on their website. Just follow these steps! Do you not think people can’t follow step by step instructions to do something like that, if they had a very strong reward at the end?

It’s not just little Billy and Grandma who shouldn’t be turning that mode on, it’s most people.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Standard Oil has no obligation to give you oil the way you want it. If you feel this strongly about oil, then using a different oil provider (which there are many) is available.

Is there not an alternative to buying an iPhone? 80% of the phone market is non iOS.

And what is that 80% comprised of? It's not much of an alternative when both parties are squeezing 30% out of those of us who do mobile development.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I have owned many Samsung android devices over the years and have always been able to install fdroid and other alternate app stores as well as "side load" applications from apk files. Is there a new thing where Samsung have removed this feature in recent (last two years or so) devices?

The bootloader in on Samsung Android devices is extremely locked down to prevent rooting. Sideloading is a basic android feature. Ability to root and sideloading are two different but similar issues on the topic of freedom.

Typically, no, Samsung are one of the few manufacturers who consistently don't lock bootloaders. I've been flashing Samsung Android phones for over 10 years: https://github.com/Benjamin-Dobell/Heimdall

That said, they have locked bootloaders on some devices. Predominantly in the US market, I believe at the request of carriers. However, it's traditionally been the minority of devices.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> I want the option to control my devices.

So don’t buy an iPhone. You know that’s not the offer.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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It's pretty obvious that legislation or anti-trust action will come that opens up mobile computing platforms. Considering the whole of a large market share mobile computing OS a private market, and not subject to competitive pressures, leads to monopolistic capture similar to what utilities could achieve without regulation. Why not just move to another neighborhood if you don't like your electric bill? Well then you'…

The restricted App Store does add customer value, and that customer value is degraded if there are other App Stores available. Namely - if a user buys Apple products because they want the security/curation/whatever that comes with Apple's walled garden, that advantage is broken by forcing Apple to have other app stores on their platform because now that user cannot get all the content through their trusted source as…

No one is forcing you to use a third party App Store. Any app with enough popularity on a third party store will be cloned on the first party one.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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The kind of dark pattern bullshit and anti-usability mess Spotify has become I would rather see Spotify die. Not to mention the “Spotify only” podcasts. While we are at it we should point out Spotify has no clear ways to export your listening history, playlists etc that you can easily recreate on other portals. It’s not a fight for equality. It’s an attempt by Spotify to be more equal than others.

Well… Yeah, admittedly, “Spotify only” podcasts are fair and established business-practice, like "XBox only games", rock-bands signed up to a specific label, writers having a contract with a publisher and all. But let's remind ourselves what the word "podcast" used to mean. These were literally just RSS feeds with audio-files. A completely decentralized system by nature (ironically, unlike some modern decentralized systems like Mastodon, etc., that try to replace an established centralized system), monetized independently via adds or donations. Now it means just random long-winded badly produced talking-shows (in video format!) on YouTube and Spotify, mostly restricted to one publisher, copying being considered a pirate activity. So, while it's no different than Netflix-shows, really, it somehow makes me more bitter.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Then why buy Apple devices? Do you also buy Teslas and wonder why you can’t use gas?

Why would that be relevant? Buying a product doesn't mean I like everything about it, just that overall, it was the least bad option available to me at the time.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

"Stop buying Apple if you don't like it" I'm afraid this is not an option most app devs can even entertain

Don’t buy Apple to consume as a user if you don’t like it.

If you’re an app developer then pay by the rules…

It absolutely is an option.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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It's hard to take Spotify's call for openness seriously when they're just as controlling as Apple is when it comes to how it allows its users to use its product. Most egregiously, they never delivered the promised playback-capable replacement for libspotify, probably because they want to keep their users in their little walled garden where Spotify can subject them to incessant A/B test tweaks to the UI designed to he…

You can take him completely seriously: he just wants to be able to sign up paying users on iPhone without handing 30% to Apple. I don’t think that’s particularly opaque.

You can and in fact Spotify hasn’t allowed in app purchases for years.
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