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Amazon confirms corporate staff cuts that could hit 10k employees

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Re: Amazon confirms corporate staff cuts that could hit 10k employees

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We have a question bank that we are required to ask from that can be found online. Coding questions and system design challenges are individual to the interviewer. Some are good, some are bad, some are leet code, some are reasonable, it's kinda a crapshot. I saw a bar raiser (a bar raiser!) asking path finding algorithms as his coding challenge which is nuts to me. All that signals is if you've worked with path findi…

It's hard for me to interpret your comment since you never state who "we" refers to.

Sorry, we is Amazon.

I had made the jump from we->amazon because the article is about amazon, but I realize that isn't super clear to anyone else.

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What you should learn in college is how to teach yourself to always be learning. Or at least to be aware of the trap doors that await when you try to solve a problem in the real world. Learning the Big O Notation performance of algorithms that traverse data structures isn't so you memorize all the different running times in perpetuity. It's so you realize that performance and the type of operations you want to common…

The other thing college shows is that someone is capable of committing to a long term goal and seeing it through. That's important. Note: I am not saying non-college grads cannot commit to a long term goal, there's plenty of reasons people don't or can't go to college. I'm only saying that a college degree is a signal.

That was my point as well - its not what you learn in college, its that you can learn something. I am not a proponent of Leetcode (and suck at it personally), but I think the same concept applies - just shows you can learn an arbitrary puzzle framework tangentially related to the job you are interviewing for.

Its also my experience that as you get more senior and focused on a specific skill (I'm an iOS engineer), interviews tend to focus on that skill more than leetcode. I think there are a few stalwart holdouts (facebook + google), but I have interviewed with several trendy big tech companies and none of them asked me pure leetcode - it was always framed around my iOS skillset.

However, for a junior engineer there is no way to evaluate this kind of skillset since it doesn't exist - so Leetcode is a resonable substitute.

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It could also signal that you got motivated and took many hours out of your busy day to do a meaningless task like memorize a path finding algorithms. This might be a good signal that you will also be motivated to spend many hours doing meaningless things at your job. Actually, if you think about it, the whole concept of getting a college degree isn't much different - its not about what you learn in the classes, it j…

"the whole concept of getting a college degree isn't much different - its not about what you learn in the classes, it just shows that you have the capacity to go through an arbitrary social experience, follow a bunch of rules, learn some stuff, and stick with it for a few years - pretty similar to a job" It makes me sad when I hear people say things like this. A college education has the potential to be so much more…

To be fair, I am not saying college can't be that kind of experience too! But when a company is looking for a college degree, they aren't looking to make sure their employees experienced enlightenment in a poetry class. They are looking for evidence that their employee completed a 4 year structured program.

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They're well known for having one of the lowest hiring bars of the major tech corporations, certainly out of the traditional "FAANG" they are by far the easiest to get hired at. N > F = G > Apple > Amazon in terms of hiring difficulty, from my impression. Until recently, their pay was also not as competitive and they had massive turnover rates.

I’ve gotten offers at all of those places except Netflix. It’s luck of the draw. My experience: Snap > G > F > Amzn > Apple = Stripe = Twitter = …

Interesting. Most of this doesn't surprise me (the places you flipped were places I was less sure if ranking, ie. Apple and FB vs. Google).

Amazon > Stripe surprises me though

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Context: I recently left Amazon Some orgs within the company are fairly lean, some are hugely bloated. Amazon isn't homogeneous. For example, Alexa is very over-resourced and it's common to hear about 4+ teams working on slight variations of the same project. Lots of redundancy there. I believe Alexa as an org is losing $5b+ per year. Contrast that to all the criticism Facebook is receiving for their investment into…

I have an Echo and a Homepod and I rarely use the Echo anymore because of their "by the way, did you know..." responses. They know there are a lot of users who want to disable that but unfortunately their goals aren't aligned with their users' goals.

You can say "Alexa, stop by the way" and it will disable it for a time, but it will come back. If you really want to disable it for good, you can set up a routine to effectively issue this "snooze" on by the way at some interval.

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Jobs gets credit for everything in computing the way Churchill gets credit for all the good quotes.

I think it was Mark Twain who said, “Hey, Churchill didn’t say that; that was me.”

Well played, Abraham Lincoln!

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And how much is Bezos worth? If your company is posting profits and executives are rolling in unprecedented piles of money there's no excuse for layoffs.

No excuse? Really? You don’t want to dial that back a notch and acknowledge the pending recession and the rash of over hiring in the tech market? And perhaps you’ve forgotten, Bezos isn’t CEO any more and doesn’t have anything to do with day to day Amazon.

If Amazon wants to be a pillar of the economy, then helping induce an even worse economic recession isn't good business.

The weird thing is that the old industrialists like Ford understood this. They achieved monopoly or cartel status, and recognized that things like pricing, work schedules, and layoffs had actual feedback loops with their revenues and profits.

Then again, maybe they didn't have the accounting technology and large scale macroeconomic measures to show that was a bunk idea.

Those days of world wars probably had more of a collectivist survival view even in the super-elites, those days are long forgotten.

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Chapter 2 (iirc, or at least an early one) of a well-known textbook also expects you to do this. It is non-obvious, but so are a lot of real problems. I agree it’s probably mostly memorized as an answer today, but I don’t think it’s fundamentally a bad question.

Did this book ask you to time yourself and solve it within 20 minutes?

Not only that, I had to pay for my own lunch and it took four weeks for it to finally say it wasn't hiring me.

Is the problem with leetcode the content or the process? The process is utterly broken, but any time hiring comes up it feels like most complaints are about the content.

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Did this book ask you to time yourself and solve it within 20 minutes?

Not only that, I had to pay for my own lunch and it took four weeks for it to finally say it wasn't hiring me. Is the problem with leetcode the content or the process? The process is utterly broken, but any time hiring comes up it feels like most complaints are about the content.

IMO there's an often unspoken divide here.

There's the group of people for whom doing these "Algos I" problems in university was relatively painless; not that all problems were "easy" but there's an ease to approaching the problem, and with enough continuous effort the problem is solved. These people also tend to have good retention such that 10 years later, they just need to practice LC for a few weeks and they're back in top form, even if they've been building the easiest CRUD apps for years and not working their brains at all. I've seen this firsthand.

There's another group of people who, for whatever reason, are lacking the facilities to calmly and clearly approach these problems. Doing "Algos I" was a serious grind, and the Brain Toolbox for solving these problems falls apart quickly once the final has been taken. Even if doing relatively complex work at their jobs for years, when it's time to practice LC, it may take months to get anywhere near "top form".

Obviously everyone is on a spectrum between and beyond these two groups, and I fall closer to the latter.

Now add on the fact that there's a person watching you who is going to dictate whether you get a paycheck at all or a 20% boost in income. Or you're like me right now and you've been laid off. Now add on that you need to do it in 20 minutes, each minor mistake potentially becoming a devastating error if you don't catch it quickly.

I envy anyone who can just focus on the problem and remove all surrounding context. Still trying to figure out how I can add stress distractions while timing myself.

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Could you help explain why the general consensus seems to consider Amazon as a just given backup and easy interview path (but the hard part is the actual job crunch apparently)? They still do leetcode screening don’t they? IMO they’ve been harder than the others because the process is so automated that you either pass or fail on the code test. There’s no tech interviewer to give you a hint unless they changed that re…

Uh, they definitely ask you a bunch of questions and you basically need to speak to their leadership principles. Being good at leetcode alone can't get you in, or that's the impression I've gotten from friends who work there. But I suppose it depends.

Also my tech screen was 2 LC hards in 90 minutes. I bounced off of that hard. Their bar might generally be lower but it's not low.
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