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Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Yes. But they'll say that anyway, even if you publish the document in full. This is why a trusted free press matters, and why authoritarians work so hard to undermine it.

A trusted and free press huh. In what works of fiction can I read about those?

Any historical text covering media ownership rules in the US prior to the mid 90’s would cover it.

If it must be fictional, try the original superman.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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The simplest answer is that this didn’t happen and it’s just a myth.

Honestly speaking, the story sounds somewhat believable to me. They likely misidentified the leaker with that silly analysis and fired them on the spot, would be just the usual modus operandi of musk.

they probably narrowed it down to one person and approached them with the logs and "admit and be fired or don't admit and legal (and all the bad/expensive stuff that comes with that) will be engaged to get to the bottom of it starting with you".

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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The Jobs story sounds quite similar to what Tyrion Lannister did to identify leaks in Game of Thrones. https://youtu.be/Di8Z7rJ9vnI

Tyrions plot has a flaw in that it’s three versions of the same story. If two or three betray him, he won’t know and he’ll reveal to the queen that something is afoot. He should have used different stories.

He did use different stories, he tells each one something different.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Ashlee Vance's biography of Musk (from a few years ago) had a fun similar story. Someone inside Tesla wrote a letter, I believe complaining about product defects, which was printed by a media outlet. Figuring that the leaker printed the letter at Tesla offices (i.e. likely didn't have a printer at home), Musk re-typed the letter in Word, found out exactly how many kilobytes a Word file with that exact text would be,…

Printing out whistleblower letters using work hardware is not a smart idea...

yeah i always thought the SOP was to take a picture of your screen with a camera. Print that out at home, manually mark/cut out the parts you don't want to leak, take another picture, print, and leak that copy.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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The most impressive/unbelievable part of this story is that 2 Word files, created separately, ended up with the same exact file size. I'd assume with all of the Metadata they cram in that this would be unlikely.

The simplest answer is that this didn’t happen and it’s just a myth.

You could use bounds from x KB to y KB if you know the version of Word used and try to approach.

It is a difficult task, anyways.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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The simplest answer is that this didn’t happen and it’s just a myth.

Honestly speaking, the story sounds somewhat believable to me. They likely misidentified the leaker with that silly analysis and fired them on the spot, would be just the usual modus operandi of musk.

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Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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What if someone spottet some space characters and deleted them? I do if I see double spaces. Or is it about printed documents?

There are thin spaces, hair spaces etc. in unicode. Multiple of those will just look like a normal space. Only if you tried to select them one by one would you become aware. But that's not what people usually do when they C&P a block of text That said: not sure how they will look in a text-only (no WYSIWYG) editor or a mail client set to display raw text.

Just checked and emacs running in a terminal displays the different sorts of spaces in unicode as a single space with an underline. I think that a goal for any sort of a text editor intended for programming should be to mark possibly problematic text somehow.

Mutt just shows them all as spaces...

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Years ago, I worked at a place that attempted this. They were so giddy about it. There wasn’t even a known leak, or, arguably, anything particularly worth leaking. They were just tickled by the idea that they could gotcha anyone who tried to leak something. Then, as now, it strikes me as little more than sad and paranoid Tom Clancy cosplay. I’d like to say I’ve moved on to a place with a culture of trust and faithful…

> So here we are, everyone fantasizing about espionage. Espionage isn't a fantasy, it's very much real. People go to jail for it all the time. The only question is to what degree might a company be affected or targeted. Taking steps to add a reasonable layer of security to attempt to protect costly IP isn't being paranoid at all. Not to mention that in some environments there are legal requirements, a prime example b…

Your particular example wouldn't be deterred from the tactics that Elon says that he used, though. If it's not leaked to the public it wouldn't be seen by those that encoded an identifier into it.
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