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Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by michaelt »

ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #162
Zopieux wrote: post #155

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I find it deeply unsettling that you'd consider it normal/common to upgrade 4 digit (is that all Apple?) devices every 2 years, or that folks would need so many different form factors in the first place. Just thinking of the literal mountains of ewaste gives me goosebumps.

It's pretty much what happens in the regular household with median and around income [1] [2]. Yes, we are currently generating way beyond ridiculous levels of waste, electronic and beyond: we throw away globally 1.4 billion tons of food per year [3] in a world with 822 million people suffering from undernourishment [4]. If we are this bad with something as vital as food, of course we are worse with devices. [1] (2017…

The US market for laptops is 21 billion [1], for desktops 11 billion [2], and tablets 11bn [3].

With 123 million households in the US, the mean spending on laptops, desktops and tablets together is $350/year per household.

Smartphone sales were $74 billion [4] or $600/household/year.

That's a total of $950/year, per household.

The average American household isn't spending $11,000+ every 2 years.

[1] https://www.statista.com/outlook/cmo/consumer-electronics/co... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/722371/united-states-des... [3] https://www.statista.com/outlook/cmo/consumer-electronics/co... [4] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191985/sales-of-smartpho...

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by paulryanrogers »

Stention314 wrote: post #272
lkbm wrote: post #136

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> Wouldn't it have been more worth it to simply buy an M1 Mac or a Surface? Yes, probably, but I would note that a cheap M1 Mac is 4x the annual cost you cited for the browser, and if the browser is 95% of what you use a laptop for, getting the same perf boost for 25% the cost sounds like a good value prop. Granted, a laptop should last more than a year, but presumably it starts to show it's age in under four, wherea…

Then start to add all aspects: security, network delay, service downtime. I think baas is bullshit for security reasons alone.

Ironically BAAS is sold for security reasons too. As in isolation. You'd do very sensitive stuff with the remote browser, or vice versa, for isolation from other activity.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by foldr »

runako wrote: post #183
nisten wrote: post #29

I think it really was the M1 Chip that killed Mighty. The product itself looked like it was working great. Before the value proposition was good. You can still use your old laptop and still have a very fast browser experience via remotely running it on a AMD server chip, this way you save on battery life and RAM too. Then M1 speedometer scores started beating AMD Epyc on single core web browsing performance. Not only…

> I think it really was the M1 Chip that killed Mighty. The product itself looked like it was working great. Agree with this take. It's amazing he was able to get this funded at a time it was fairly obvious from their product roadmap and language that Apple was going to release ARM Macs. Props to him for the skill it took to get funding in the door.

>It's amazing he was able to get this funded at a time it was fairly obvious from their product roadmap and language that Apple was going to release ARM Macs

It's easy to forget, but a lot of people were rubbishing the idea of ARM Macs as a viable replacement for Intel until it actually happened.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by svnt »

ip26 wrote: post #277
svnt wrote: post #255

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Which means that if Mighty survived the M1 it would have been dead anyway (probably in not more than a few months) by Azure and AWS offering it once Mighty proved the market.

Not exactly, if the market was small it wouldn’t be worth AWS’s time to provide a turnkey. Plenty of small operations provide services backed by AWS without getting eaten for that reason.

If market was thought to be small it wouldn’t be of interest to YC, would it?

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by dmix »

cowtools wrote: post #266
dmix wrote: post #239

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There's no indication that cloud gaming is declining. Xbox Cloud, Playstation, Nvidia Geforce, Shadow (even has streaming VR), Amazon Luna, Paperspace, Boosteroid, etc etc. There's no shortage of options. Google shutting down a business isn't a good indicator of a market's validity. The "Buy why?" was simple: it made the internet very fast and improved battery life of laptops.

latency

I've played a 50hrs of Xbox cloud games in the last 2yrs and never had latency issues

The people saying this either haven't used it recently or need a modern ISP

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by griffinli »

swyx wrote: post #214
jacurtis wrote: post #158

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I interviewed at a very successful startup last year that was basically doing the exact same thing as mighty. But they were selling it as primarily a security advantage (since its effectively an air gap computer) with additional advantages to performance. The product itself was basically identical to Mighty. However, because it was marketed as a Security tool, they got customers from 9 of the 10 largest world banks,…

what startup was it? i am unfamiliar with this space and you dont seem to have disclosed anything confidential so am just asking to learn

I'm guessing it's https://www.island.io

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by toast0 »

leobg wrote: post #265
stephc_int13 wrote: post #166

Suhail blocked me on Twitter some time ago as I was a bit vocal in my opposition to the core idea behind this app. I think it was already dead at the time and the criticism got under his skin. I wish there was a way to make money by shorting bad ideas. I think I could easily fund a few companies by doing that on weekends.

It’s easy to do. Just tell the founder you’re willing to bet $10k that they will (define “fail” metric and time). Some will take you up on it. (Though I bet your won’t do it as often as you would have thought, now that your money is on the line. Pun intended.)

That's a terrible bet to take as a founder. Assuming even odds, put aside $10k for some time, and you may double it if you're doing well and probably don't need it, but if you're failing, you lose the money.

The only utility is vengefulness, perhaps.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by ip26 »

svnt wrote: post #284
ip26 wrote: post #277

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Not exactly, if the market was small it wouldn’t be worth AWS’s time to provide a turnkey. Plenty of small operations provide services backed by AWS without getting eaten for that reason.

If market was thought to be small it wouldn’t be of interest to YC, would it?

Yes, there’s definitely a contradiction there

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by nmfisher »

roflyear wrote: post #21
amadeuspagel wrote: post #7

In May 2021 Paul Graham wrote Crazy New Ideas [1], in which he explained that envy is the only reason people criticize ideas by "reasonable domain experts". This was widely understood at the time to refer to critics of Mighty[2][3]. [1]: http://paulgraham.com/newideas.html [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27062713 [3]: https://www.echevarria.io/blog/the-mighty-pushback-isnt-all-...

I know to exist in the VC world you have to buy into insane shit and convince yourself you believe it is the next best thing, but this just seems so ludicrous to me. I don't understand it at all.

That was my original reaction to Twitch, too. Who in their right mind would pay to watch someone else play a video game? It was ludicrous to me (and to some extent, it still is).

I'd make a terrible VC.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

bitwize wrote: post #258
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #67

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My primary feeling is that I think technical people drastically overestimate the pain that most "normal" people experience when it comes to browser performance. I see it all the time on HN, e.g. people bitching about the amount of RAM Electron apps take and the like. Who cares? The average user certainly doesn't. If anything, 98% of the time when I experience browser performance issues it's network-latency related, o…

People complained about the amount of RAM NeWS apps took up, too. In retrospect we realized NeWS was a missed opportunity to revolutionize networked-app UI. Electron is the dream of NeWS for current-era hardware and software. In the future we won't even blink at the space it takes up.

I've never seen the acronym NeWS before.
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