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TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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Those things you learned, what evidence do you have that they are true, or accurate, or aren't just repetitions of common folk wisdom or Pop Factoids that always make the rounds? Where are the citations?

Isn’t that true of any source of information?

Longer form content like books and video essays have lots of room for ample citations and demonstrations.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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They do this. Basically everything runs straight through wechat, as if the facebook appstore hadn't lost relevance. Wechat is the api in most cases. You can even go to court on it.

Every app is using WeChat? TikTok coordinates with WeChat? Or uses the same API? Is this documented somewhere?

I've dug into this more out of curiosity:

They're called "mini programs" (小程序): You can see the dev pages etc. here: https://developers.weixin.qq.com/miniprogram/en/introduction...

These days, the vast majority of mobile development happens on this platform. They can have 100 million daily users in some cases.

Otherwise, you have to get an approval license from the government, per game. This had been blocked for a long time until recently: https://www.thegamer.com/china-approving-game-licenses-again...

These government pages discuss the process (but only in Chinese): https://www.nppa.gov.cn/nppa/channels/301.shtml or http://web.archive.org/web/20200605135934/www.sapprft.gov.cn... Note, only Chinese companies can go through the process. Apparently the process includes interfacing with the API, which isn't public. But some guys I pmed on reddit said they can interact with government ID servers or wechat auth. The 2nd api is public: https://developers.weixin.qq.com/doc/oplatform/en/Mobile_App...

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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post #282

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Every app is using WeChat? TikTok coordinates with WeChat? Or uses the same API? Is this documented somewhere?

I've dug into this more out of curiosity: They're called "mini programs" (小程序): You can see the dev pages etc. here: https://developers.weixin.qq.com/miniprogram/en/introduction... These days, the vast majority of mobile development happens on this platform. They can have 100 million daily users in some cases. Otherwise, you have to get an approval license from the government, per game. This had been blocked for a lo…

I appreciate you digging this up.

It is still unclear to me how a Weixin ID corresponds to a government issued ID and how an app would know that a user is a minor.

The Chinese mandate you linked to describes the same rules as elsewhere, but there is no indication of how they would be implemented. Does a "real name" policy mean that an login is tied to a government ID? Or does it just mean what Facebook does to make users more valuable to advertisers?

I'm astounded that there is so much gossip about this and so little evidence.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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post #282

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I've dug into this more out of curiosity: They're called "mini programs" (小程序): You can see the dev pages etc. here: https://developers.weixin.qq.com/miniprogram/en/introduction... These days, the vast majority of mobile development happens on this platform. They can have 100 million daily users in some cases. Otherwise, you have to get an approval license from the government, per game. This had been blocked for a lo…

I appreciate you digging this up. It is still unclear to me how a Weixin ID corresponds to a government issued ID and how an app would know that a user is a minor. The Chinese mandate you linked to describes the same rules as elsewhere, but there is no indication of how they would be implemented. Does a "real name" policy mean that an login is tied to a government ID? Or does it just mean what Facebook does to make u…

> I'm astounded that there is so much gossip about this and so little evidence.

Welcome to discussion of China in Western media.

You're right though, I've never seen anything official about what I originally said, only reports about it.

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I appreciate you digging this up. It is still unclear to me how a Weixin ID corresponds to a government issued ID and how an app would know that a user is a minor. The Chinese mandate you linked to describes the same rules as elsewhere, but there is no indication of how they would be implemented. Does a "real name" policy mean that an login is tied to a government ID? Or does it just mean what Facebook does to make u…

> I'm astounded that there is so much gossip about this and so little evidence. Welcome to discussion of China in Western media. You're right though, I've never seen anything official about what I originally said, only reports about it.

> Welcome to discussion of China in Western media.

Yes, as someone who lived through the Cold War and has been studying Mandarin for a few years, I cannot help but see parallels in how everything about China is being muddled.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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> I'm astounded that there is so much gossip about this and so little evidence. Welcome to discussion of China in Western media. You're right though, I've never seen anything official about what I originally said, only reports about it.

> Welcome to discussion of China in Western media. Yes, as someone who lived through the Cold War and has been studying Mandarin for a few years, I cannot help but see parallels in how everything about China is being muddled.

Oh nice, I'm at university right now with Mandarin as part of my degree. The politics around China is certainly interesting.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I don't understand the point. Every social media's goal is to take advantage of people's desire to be entertained. Youtube, Instagram, etc. Yet TikTik has managed to come from behind and overtake all the other apps. People are so quick to dismiss its algorithm, yet no other app comes close to recreating the experience.

That's not because of the algorithm. That's because everybody's already on TikTok. If you make a new Facebook, you better make something about it different because otherwise people would just stay on Facebook.

I started using TikTok long before everyone was in it, pre-pandemic, and even then it was already much better than most other apps, and quite immediately too.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I hear you. It’s just that the rise of TikTok contradicts all the survey results. I.e. I don’t see their sentiments reflect in their actions. I mean if you’re concerned about your data and feel helpless, simply don’t use the app. But TikTok keeps rising doesn’t it.

It really doesn't. Nearly every single major site is tracking you alongside enabling tracking by third parties. Something as innocuous as a call to Google fonts works as a sufficient tracking source. Your phone, regardless of who you pick, is not only tracking you but also readily forwarding everything on over to various government agencies with effectively 0 accountability. "Smart" cameras and other server connected…

Take it with a grain of salt, but Alphabet has long maintained that they do not track from Googl Fonts:

https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq/privacy

It seens like an odd thing to lie about, given how nefarious they are with other things.

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