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How in the world did a walled garden ecosystem like Snap manage to embed itself so deeply into Linux culture? There needs to be a user and industry revolt against Snap for this sort of shenanigans.
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AGPLv3 does not somehow permit trademark violations. Signal has taken issue with third parties building binaries and calling them Signal, and I can’t really blame them. This is the same reason Signal isn’t in F-Droid
DMCA takedowns are for copyright only, not trademark. Requesting or demanding removal for trademark reasons is legitimate, but using the DMCA takedown process when there is not a copyright violation is fraudulent.
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- Still need a phone number - They refuse to post the app on f-droid (directly) - No 3rd party clients allowed on their servers. - Crypto thing they attempted - I don't trust Moxie, he rubs me the wrong way.
What do you recommend as an alternative?
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Problem is, I already moved my friends and family to Signal and removed Whatsapp from my phone. It was an uphill battle that I don't want to fight again. What do I do, now? As much as there's a lot of questionable stuff on Signal, that's nothing compared to whatsapp. Do you suggest a Signal alternative that is significantly better?
This. It was hard enough to migrate people from Whatsapp ( as in, for all my privacy gripes, it is hard to argue that it just works very well in most instances ). It is not like most of my social groups are me-centric, which forces me to pick battles carefully. Now that I moved people to signal, I need to do what I can to try moving signal to my ideal space ( no phone requirement being one of them, 3rd party clients…
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The name for the Signal Desktop package is signal-desktop and Signal provides instructions on their website on how to add their deb repository.
I don't think there is any reason for publishers to force users to download their software from the internet now that the Snap Store and Flathub exists. I've had so many bad experiences with broken third party packages or worse, "installers".
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So you're saying signal requested their own program be removed from the snap store? Sorry, I'm a little confused on terms. When you say snap maintainer, are you saying you are the maintainer of the signal snap package, or that you're a maintainer of snap itself?
Wasn’t their own program. They have a binary they distribute, this was some other binary calling itself Signal without their approval.
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The name for the Signal Desktop package is signal-desktop and Signal provides instructions on their website on how to add their deb repository.
Too difficult. Their install instructions are also too complicated and involve reading about 5 lines of comments and 4 shell commands. It should NEVER be more than 1 line of shell or 2 mouse clicks to install anything. This is 2022, not 1995. It's faster to just search for "signal" in the snap store and hit "Install".
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> This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Is it? How do you measure that? It seems like WhatsApp is a better default choice for most people probably.
Except it's owned by Meta, who I really wouldn't trust even if they say it's E2EE.
The list goes on (and on), but the point is that Facebook gets to be the good guy and claim E2EE, while gathering all that metadata.
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Binaries are just condensed source code. So when the source code is AGPL I sure as hell can distribute binaries if I like.
> I sure as hell can distribute binaries if I like As far as I understood the argument, you're free to distribute binaries, you just can't call them "Signal", since it's a trademarked name (?).
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That's not the case. And if it were, it still wouldn't matter because the AGPLv3 source would have granted you a license to that too being a copyright license.
AGPLv3 allows one to add trademark terms that, when violated, revoke the copyright license.
You need a copyright license to use the binary. You need a trademark license to use the trademark. See the firefox -> iceweasel kerfuffle