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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by neurostimulant »

dane-pgp wrote: post #251
8organicbits wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it adds a barrier, but wouldn't the scalpers just sell phones with the app and ticket loaded? Old Android phones are quite cheap.

For countries that already require you to register SIM cards with your government ID, I wouldn't be surprised if one day they require that all phones be biometrically locked to their owner. When producing a QR code, the signature could include the date that the QR code was generated, and the date that the phone was biometrically linked to the user (signed by a device-specific key in the secure enclave, itself signed…

What stopping you from taking a screenshot of the qr code and send it to the buyer? The timestamp can be bypassed by sending the screenshot when the buyer is already at the ticket-checking gate.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by prvit »

Roark66 wrote: post #102
incompatible wrote: post #25

Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

At some point few years ago it became practically impossible to do any business in China from the outside without what's app (no idea why as allegedly its banned there). This is around the some time samsung had their "My Knox" feature on their S8 or S9 phone. This feature was like an isolated container for apps, an android equivalent of VM. The purpose was to place your banking and other critical apps there and the n…

If Whatsapp is a "dodgy app" I can't imagine what non-dodgy apps you might be running on your phone.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by ghostDancer »

Gatsky wrote: post #110

I really would like to know how Qatar got the World Cup… it can’t have been legitimate, it’s just got so many obvious disadvantages… For example, it’s too hot to host it in summer as usual, so it’s in the northern hemisphere winter, which interrupts all the leagues.

It even has a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by addicted »

leereeves wrote: post #279
markdown wrote: post #244

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Yup, women in the US need to be extremely careful about the apps they install. In Texas, app devs can get massive bounties for reporting if a woman has a medical procedure.

Just a comment on your obfuscating language: lethal injection is also a medical procedure. Abortion is a complex issue that should be discussed honestly, not obfuscated.

Lethal injection is not a medical procedure. If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Just because a procedure involves injecting chemicals in someone’s body doesn’t mean it’s medical.

And abortion is not a complex issue. The only arguments against it are religious and there are religions which require it, so in a purportedly secular country the answer is very simple.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by krolden »

culturestate wrote: post #233
roebk wrote: post #82

This was the same situation for the UEFA Women’s Euros in England this year. For those wondering, the app was simply for storing, transferring, and displaying your tickets. A ticket being a QR code for you to scan at the stadium turnstiles. Was the app required? Absolutely not, there was nothing specific that the mobile app could do that a simple website couldn’t (apart from the screen brightness jumping to 100% when…

> there was nothing specific that the mobile app could do that a simple website couldn’t … I’m sure even a printed QR code would of sufficed. I don’t know about that app specifically, but most of the major ticketing providers are doing dynamic barcodes[1] now that are effectively TOTPs for entry. You can’t do this reliably on the web for a major event because you can’t assume network connectivity, and obviously a pri…

But dont these apps require network access to function?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by krolden »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #97
roebk wrote: post #82

This was the same situation for the UEFA Women’s Euros in England this year. For those wondering, the app was simply for storing, transferring, and displaying your tickets. A ticket being a QR code for you to scan at the stadium turnstiles. Was the app required? Absolutely not, there was nothing specific that the mobile app could do that a simple website couldn’t (apart from the screen brightness jumping to 100% when…

Paper tickets can be resold into the tout/scalper market. Electronic tickets can't. That's a nice feature for FIFA.

They still get scalped but you have to do it through their approved scalper app

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by krolden »

neurostimulant wrote: post #281
dane-pgp wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For countries that already require you to register SIM cards with your government ID, I wouldn't be surprised if one day they require that all phones be biometrically locked to their owner. When producing a QR code, the signature could include the date that the QR code was generated, and the date that the phone was biometrically linked to the user (signed by a device-specific key in the secure enclave, itself signed…

What stopping you from taking a screenshot of the qr code and send it to the buyer? The timestamp can be bypassed by sending the screenshot when the buyer is already at the ticket-checking gate.

These apps generate a new code based on the time, etc. Its basically a TOTP password for an event.

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Post by smcl »

sofixa wrote: post #280
smcl wrote: post #269

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What clubs have contracts with FIFA?

Clubs are members of their local association, which is a member of and regulated by FIFA.

OK that's both wrong (FIFA isn’t involved in regulating the confederations or the members or the clubs) and not what you originally said. I think you just made a mistake in understanding what FIFA does. Same with this:

> Do all the manufacturers of sports clothing, shoes, balls, goal posts, etc. have deals with FIFA? Yes

FIFA will have a relationship with sponsors of FIFA events (the dozens of brands you see during the World Cup or the Club World Cup) and will select who provides the official ball during these events (usually Adidas) or who makes FIFA-branded merch (lame stuff, relatively small market). But each individual player chooses their own boots + equipment, each national team or club negotiates their own sponsors and kit providers. At Qatar you'll see a wide variety of them - Nike, Adidas, Puma, Hummel, Marathon, Majid, Le Coq Sportif, Kappa, New Balance - FIFA weren't involved in the selection of any of them. And I'm not sure what to say about the goal posts - they'll just be whatever is already in the stadiums in use at any given World Cup.

FIFA is a corrupt enough organization, we don't need to pretend they're also some sinister dictator controlling every level of the global game. Not least because it lets the different confederations and national football associations off the hook for their own mixtures of incompetence and corruption.

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Post by goodpoint »

dane-pgp wrote: post #273
challenger-derp wrote: post #133

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If they really really want to track people: - Sir, you have to install this application, it's available on both iOS and the Google Play Store. - Do you have a Debian package? - Give me a moment to check our database of alternative OSes.. Why yes, yes, we do have this as a Debian package. - ... Well... is the app truly compulsory? - Yes Sir, indeed it is I'm afraid. Security, safety and all that. - ...

Even if the government went to the trouble of creating the Debian package, they wouldn't allow it to run on an OS that doesn't support a particularly restrictive "Secure Boot" setup, which would provide the mobile network with a remote attestation that you are running only "certified" packages and system services (including a minimal set of mandatory ones). Naturally, this certification process would ban apps which c…

Are you implying that Debian does not support Secure Boot? Because it does.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by robswc »

dagw wrote: post #76
robswc wrote: post #22

What if you don’t have a smart phone? Or hell, what about one that’s 5+ years old? Are they just SoL?

Most likely you are SoL. By the sounds of it they simply won't let you into the country unless you can show that you've installed their covid tracking app

Wow. Just pretty insane we're at that point.

I have a smart phone and generally against telling people how to host their events... but requiring smart phones with tracking apps on them to do X or Y for the "pursuit of progress" is pretty dystopian.

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