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Why I Don't Use Netscape (1999)

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Re: Why I Don't Use Netscape (1999)

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> Die Featuritis ist meist umgekehrt proportional zum Inhalt, und wer Inhalt hat, legt in der Regel Wert darauf, auch gelesen werden zu koennen. (Featurism is usually inverse proportional to content, and those who have content generally value being readable)

Too long for a tattoo but damn do I believe in this!

Re: Why I Don't Use Netscape (1999)

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Wow. I wonder how you use stuff like instant messaging, music streaming and so forward. Do you also skip all browser based desktop apps because you hate Javascript so much? Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

No need to get upset at the guy. Its their choice to use Javascript in the way they want, rather than let any site that wants it use it. Most websites with articles don't need Javascript, and only use it to push ads/paywall articles. If there is a webapp that they want to use, they can always whitelist it. As for music streaming and instant messaging, not everyone has/needs Discord, Slack, Teams, or anything like tha…

I'm not upset, I am just curious and think the guy had quite the ignorant take on the whole subject matter.

I kind of disagree though, most websites do need javascript even if they simply contain only an article. Extremely few devs will care about the astonishing minority that disables javascript by default and saying that the websites that do this is trash, like so many people that favor this kind of thinking does, is being ignorant.

The javascript hate is strange because it's like people would hate programs written in python for no other reason than the program being written in python. I think it comes down to devs not being able to chose and that the only real choice is already made for them so then they end up hating it.

But even alternatives like Phoenix Liveview / Hotwire that minimizes the usage of javascript requires javascript to work properly. In time I believe most websites will ship a wasm binary and then this debate will be over forever and javascript will become irrelevant.

But what do I know? :)

Re: Why I Don't Use Netscape (1999)

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> and presumably on other OSs Nope, it only happens when something outside changed Firefox's files (in this case when Ubuntu swapped files because dpkg updated Firefox). This never happens* in Windows and macOS (it might nag, but you can definitely dismiss it). It seems that johnchristopher has a suggestion to disable auto-updates on a specific application in Debian and Ubuntu (haven't tested it though): https://news…

This is exactly right. And this happens because it needs to load libraries or exec subprocesses that aren't compatible between versions. Since the matching version of the file has been replaced with a newer one it doesn't really have a choice, it is unable to launch the new tab. The nice message is a better alternative than crashing. This also doesn't occur on NixOS because the new version is in a different direcotry…

This is 100% something that can be fixed by the browser. Package updates don't change existing files but rather create new files and update the filesystem to point to them. All it takes to not need a restart is to keep file handles open for all needed resources and forking from such a process instead of exec()ing new ones. Not entirely trivial for applications as monstrously complex as browsers but hardly comparable to other challenges they need to solve. It's only because they can control the update process on the OS they care about (Windows) that they don't bother.

Re: Why I Don't Use Netscape (1999)

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It's interesting that the author would associate "frames, tables, and other fancy features" with a lack of interesting content. I assume tables are included because they were widely misused at the time, not because tabular data wasn't interesting. I have a button in my toolbar called "dammit" which strips away every iframe, embed, object, audio, and video from the page, multiple times per second. These are considered…

Can you share how this works / code snippet? Would love to add this to my "Fk the modern internet" toolset. (I also use TamperMonkey which injects client js when url patterns are matched, to get rid of annoying cookie modals.)

Posting bookmarklets on the web tends to be frowned on by forum admins, so here's the raw code.

    (function dammit() {
      setTimeout(dammit, 100);
      let els = document.querySelectorAll('object,embed,iframe,video');
      for (let el of els) {
        el.parentNode.removeChild(el);
      }
    })();
Feel free to make it into a bookmarklet using this guide:

https://gist.github.com/caseywatts/c0cec1f89ccdb8b469b1

Re: Why I Don't Use Netscape (1999)

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Does a browser really have to be so complex that it warrants updates more often than the very sites that are being browsed? Contrast this with the design of idk MP3: a relatively simple and ultra-stable decoder app with a large variety of backend pipelines that can create MP3s. That's how the web pre-JS, pre-CSS was like. Or, with a perspective from information theory: downloading hundreds and hundreds of megabytes a…

>Does a browser really have to be so complex that it warrants updates more often than the very sites that are being browsed? Contrast this with the design of idk MP3: a relatively simple and ultra-stable decoder app with a large variety of backend pipelines that can create MP3s. The problem is the recent trend that everything has to be a web application. So browsers aren't just to access information anymore, but lite…

Not to mention all the security patches
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