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Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
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Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In pretty much everything else, you cheat, you're basically done. The penalty for cheating in most major sports is way more lenient than you think. Most leagues will suspend you for a handful of games in the first instance. In the NBA for example you can be caught three times before being suspended for one season.
Yeah, and you can even just go into a different sport like Baseball for that time.
/orsonwellesclap
This is a super on-point and sharp critique based on the assertion that Michael Jordan's first retirement from the NBA to go play Minor League baseball was an under-the-table suspension for gambling on NBA games (dude has a legit problem) while playing in the NBA Championships. This happened right after a three-peat (3 Championships in a row).
And in one fell marketing miracle, the status quo and marketability of both the NBA and Michael Jordan was protected. One and a half years later, MJ "un-retired" to light up the league for another 3 straight championships.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people playing against the cheats care.
I think it is an interesting question. Aside from consent, playing against an anonymous cheater is indistinguishable from playing against a better player. Presumably people are elo matched so it should not matter
I’m pretty sure that just proves that your mental model is too simplistic to explain the real world.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#284It's a real red flag that he plays stronger moves after the browser window loses focus. I'd argue that's much less circumstantial than anything else so far.
Even if he was cheating, its a dumb move to do that. It's super easy to stop websites from knowing that you're switching tabs or windows. https://github.com/IceWreck/Page-Visibility-User-Script I made this a while ago. Or just use another computer.
You probably could have made your point without posting the GitHub link with the exact means to do so.
I imagine there is one chess cheater reading this that will use your repo soon.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people playing against the cheats care.
I think it is an interesting question. Aside from consent, playing against an anonymous cheater is indistinguishable from playing against a better player. Presumably people are elo matched so it should not matter
It is definitely not indistinguishable, both because "someone with this rating shouldn't be winning like this" and because engine moves look very different than human moves, especially at lower ratings.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#286The fact that an athlete in a competitive sport was allowed to partake in an event even after admitting to cheating not only once, but twice, is outrageous in itself.
He was a minor at the time when he admitted to cheating, so a lifetime ban would be harsh.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#287The fact that an athlete in a competitive sport was allowed to partake in an event even after admitting to cheating not only once, but twice, is outrageous in itself.
There are a few competitive sports where the same pattern occurs. Namely decentralized sports, particularly boxing where it's not rare for some elite athlete to be banned temporarily after testing positive for PEDs. Most bans are for 6-12 months which is a joke. My guess is that the more decentralized a sport is, the more likely it is for cheating to occur and go unpunished. Chess is unofficially becoming a decentral…
What does decentralized mean in the context of a sport? Does it mean having more than one governing body for the sport?
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it is an interesting question. Aside from consent, playing against an anonymous cheater is indistinguishable from playing against a better player. Presumably people are elo matched so it should not matter
It is definitely not indistinguishable, both because "someone with this rating shouldn't be winning like this" and because engine moves look very different than human moves, especially at lower ratings.
Interesting.
How true is that at the top levels of play?
What do you think the success rate is for online players telling an engine from a human? 1% 99%
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it is an interesting question. Aside from consent, playing against an anonymous cheater is indistinguishable from playing against a better player. Presumably people are elo matched so it should not matter
I’m pretty sure that just proves that your mental model is too simplistic to explain the real world.
This is true for everyone and everything.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why I constantly cheated in school. I got caught once and the penalty was a 0 on the test and a talking to. And only because I was a cheating noob. The benefits were in the thousands and thousands of scholarship dollars. I cheat now in my employment. I work three full time jobs remotely and do the bare minimum in each. The risk is getting fired (and if I only get fired from two of the jobs, I am still ahead o…
Selling your labor to multiple buyers and delivering acceptable work is not cheating.
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