It sounds that Jack is aligned with Fred Wilson's thinking and what Fred has been advocating for years.
Fred Wilson was an early investor and Board member at Twitter.
Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#282Literally what mastodon and activitypub is
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm of the opinion that engineering things is what makes someone an engineer. If you're under the impression that Musk's entire career has been in management, I'd encourage you to do some more reading.
I’d encourage you to do the same. Give concrete examples.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the work you do to your credit or your boss's? I fundamentally reject the argument that being financially invested in engineering projects makes him an engineer.
Here's the game he wrote at age 12 : https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/
The most charitable interpretation is that this does nothing to disprove the perception he is simply taking credit for others engineering work. At best it is not proof he played a significant role on the engineering side of the projects he's financed. At worst, it is very much playing into the stereotype of the manager who got far too grand ideas of his talent from writing code 30 years ago.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
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Sounds like you’re surrounded by toxic people, likely as a result of this attitude.
I'm not choosing the people, there's no overflow of opportunities where I live. Almost always it seems like the ones who handle money/hold political power are toxic, and I need to protect myself from them. Never had any such issue with my friends, so I doubt it's really just about me.
You have my sympathy. I once worked in an organizational culture that produced toxic behavior. I was privileged with enough experience, savings, and alternative options to get out quickly.
If I was forced to work in places where I could not trust that my coworkers and I have each other's backs I feel like I would be very bitter.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think there is evidence that Dorsey was bothered for a long time. Scott Galloway, shareholder in Twitter and public figure, has been calling him an absent CEO for 10 years. He was largely disengaged and the board had to drag him into the room to make decisions, which many times he did not do.
Bring back Costello. At least he appeared to give a shit. Dorsey seems to thrive on the image of being a tortured and begrudging de facto CEO, a genius saddled by his creation.
I wouldn't disagree with that. His "I'm going to work/live in Africa" stunt was astounding.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Twitter started as a protocol. It should have never been a company. That was the original sin. Dorsey seems to have figured it out.
That’s easy for him to say after he’s become a billionaire making it a company. Can one give any actual credence to such a sentiment? I mean, Twitter is an internet version of Post-It notes. I don’t even know what he means that it started out as a “protocol”.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#288I think to a certain extent there's an overwhelming culture in the SV VC world of being completely credulous. That exchange just seems like a uniquely weird situation of two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room. It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact. You would have thought the guy who ran twitter would actually understan…
> two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room
It just reads to me like two friends having a casual chat about an idea.
It also reads to me like the context is well known and shared. You don't usually actively restate context in real life; it's not a movie where you need to let the audience in. That's not avoiding an elephant, that's just real world conversation.
> It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact
What? Musk backed out. That’s nothing to do with "hitting the real world". It's not like regulators stopped it or something.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#289This is quite interesting to see because Jack has plenty of stock in twitter obviously? So it kind of shows that he doesn’t really care about profits, instead he wants to do more interesting thing, what a geek, just like all of us lol. Or the other way to see it is that he felt that twitter can’t be saved and he wants to create a new profitable thing.. who knows about how billionaires think
Billionaires care deeply about money. For the most part it’s accurate to say it’s the only thing they care about, but it’s certainly the thing they care about most. If you care more about anything more than money you have so many opportunities to express that preference long before you get to a billion dollars that the existence of the billion dollars pretty much proves that there’s nothing above money on the list.
That doesn't seem correct to me. Using Rivian as an example, at what point did any founders become "billionaires" i.e. their stock/ownership value was at a billion? I'm guessing long before they had a working assembly line.
I think people misunderstand how little a billion dollars can be when it refers to net worth and particularly one's stock ownership.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#290Unlike everyone else here apparently, I find his attitude pretty positive. You all act as if you would have know what twitter would become from the beginning and you would have done better, I've been in infinitesimally smaller projects with pressures that have nothing to do with building Twitter and still I thought like I was losing control of the direction the product was going.
I honestly don't understand the negativity in this thread.
That batch of messages in isolation are really promising.