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Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by sweetheart » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

flerchin wrote: post #270

sweetheart wrote: post #246

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> do to deserve the fruits of their labor This is the issue. No one needs to do anything to deserve access to food, shelter, clothing, etc. I think you're framing it something like lazy people vs. people who work hard, which I don't think we need to do. If we ever lived in world where we could all access unlimited food, shelter, etc. then do you think people would still have to do stuff to actually "earn" access to i…

They do need to do something though. Why would the farmer work harder than he has to feed his own family? He can produce just enough food for himself and relax. Why would the people building houses build an extra one? We do not live in a world with unlimited food and shelter.

Yeah I know, I wasn’t saying we do live in that world. I’m continuing to say that _wanting_ to live in that world isn’t childish. Wanting to live in a world where we are all handed food, medicine, shelter, etc. for free seems like something we should all obviously be in favor of achieving eventually. Instead, there seem to be some people who view this ideal as childish, as if even if there are enough resources for everyone, one ought to have to work to earn access to those resources, which just seems cruel and domineering.

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by flerchin » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 12:46 PM UTC

sweetheart wrote: post #281

flerchin wrote: post #270

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They do need to do something though. Why would the farmer work harder than he has to feed his own family? He can produce just enough food for himself and relax. Why would the people building houses build an extra one? We do not live in a world with unlimited food and shelter.

Yeah I know, I wasn’t saying we do live in that world. I’m continuing to say that _wanting_ to live in that world isn’t childish. Wanting to live in a world where we are all handed food, medicine, shelter, etc. for free seems like something we should all obviously be in favor of achieving eventually. Instead, there seem to be some people who view this ideal as childish, as if even if there are enough resources for ev…

The premise that there can be free food and housing, without people having had to work to provide them, is fantasy. Wanting to live in a fantasy is not unreasonably childish, but it is childish.

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by Retric » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

permo-w wrote: post #252

Retric wrote: post #101

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Lower stakes might be a good thing. I think a high payout could push some people to significant psychological harm.

it’s just not at all worth that much money to put yourself through this awful torture. how long will $50k last you in the US? it’s ridiculous. the person who voiced the “AI” was probably paid more

It’s a contest so people are going to be willing to endure more torture the larger the prize. One self limiting option might be to pay per day and decrease the amount every day split amount the remaining contestants.

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by colinmhayes » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

philosopher1234 wrote: post #273

colinmhayes wrote: post #222

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All missions are kind of unnecessary. Youtubes entire mission is unnecessary, it's nothing but entertainment and some education. Mr. Beasts videos clearly provide a lot of people with joy considering how many subscribers he has. Hard for me to say he's not providing value to those people.

This has a hint of a moral relativism. “All things people do/will pay for must be valuable and good”. I think that is mistaken. Maybe we could say “all human desire is ok, but behaviors can be good or bad”

Can’t agree. Things that people will pay for are by definition valuable, and that value makes them good. Now obviously we have to consider harm, if there’s more harm than value the goodness is wiped out, but I see very little harm in these videos. It’s a win win win for everyone involved.

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by LanceH » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #225

LanceH wrote: post #191

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And a lot of people look at these "torture" situations as a battle of wills. Nobody is truly being tortured and they aren't really in a dangerous situation (generally). Fear factor is a mix of scary and disgusting, with an audience watching and thinking, "yes, no, yes, not for all the money in the world, maybe, yes". Mr Beast isn't exactly "bum fights".

Solitary confinement is "truly torture". https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-solitary-nation-show/

Solitary confinement isn't voluntary.

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by RegnisGnaw » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 6:09 PM UTC

bb123 wrote: post #29

This blogger is acting like traditional network television has never mentally tortured people for our viewing pleasure. Have they never seen an episode of Hell's Kitchen, Dr Phil, I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here or Big Brother? Basically the entire reality TV genre is based on that premise. Edit: Seeing as they mention Joe Rogan, Fear Factor is another great example of a reality TV version of basically the same th…

Those aren't that bad, for the extreme you have to thank Fox for "The Chamber" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chamber_(game_show) which pretty much was literal tourture..

You had to answer trivia questions under extreme cold/hot conditions, with electroshock and wind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FiahUZsxs&t=1667s

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by RegnisGnaw » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

citizenkeen wrote: post #63

bb123 wrote: post #29

This blogger is acting like traditional network television has never mentally tortured people for our viewing pleasure. Have they never seen an episode of Hell's Kitchen, Dr Phil, I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here or Big Brother? Basically the entire reality TV genre is based on that premise. Edit: Seeing as they mention Joe Rogan, Fear Factor is another great example of a reality TV version of basically the same th…

Fox had a reality shoe where they just tortured people for money. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_(TV_series)

The Chamber (which is almost literally torture) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chamber_(game_show)

If you want to watch an episode, check this out on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FiahUZsxs

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by RegnisGnaw » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

LanceH wrote: post #191

citizenkeen wrote: post #63

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Fox had a reality shoe where they just tortured people for money. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_(TV_series)

And a lot of people look at these "torture" situations as a battle of wills. Nobody is truly being tortured and they aren't really in a dangerous situation (generally). Fear factor is a mix of scary and disgusting, with an audience watching and thinking, "yes, no, yes, not for all the money in the world, maybe, yes". Mr Beast isn't exactly "bum fights".

The Chamber? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chamber_(game_show)

If you want to watch an episode, check this out on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FiahUZsxs

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by ryan93 » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 12:07 PM UTC

mcv wrote: post #223

ryan93 wrote: post #207

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However much money your imagined society gives out people will still gladly do game shows for extra cash. Unless you want to be honest and say no one should have even a single extra penny to spend how they please

Possibly, but hopefully it would be driven by a desire to participate instead of desperation. That's the thing I want to take out of the equation.

You have provided zero evidence these people are desperate. Many purposefully lose the games just for fun!

Re: On Mr. Beast and being alone in a circle for 100 days

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Post by nullc » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 8:12 PM UTC

astura wrote: post #193

bhhaskin wrote: post #26

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That sounds like a great extension, but at the same time I just block those channels that engage in that. None of them make any content worth consuming.

How do you know if a channel has content worth consuming if you block it without watching it? Literally hundreds of good channels worth consuming have thumbnails like that. I find it off-putting too, but videos are severely punished for not having them. This is the channel mentioned in the sibling comment (Linus Tech Tips) - https://youtu.be/DzRGBAUz5mA

If its that good I'll hear about it from someone else... though I can't say that I've seen too much on youtube that my life would be that much worse off if I'd simply gone without it.