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Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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> Sounds like they’re stealing that salary, not earning it. On the contrary – if someone has been at a company for 9 months & had terrible early reviews, the company had about ~6 months to deal with them. In my experience, truly bad hires get lukewarm 30 day feedback, negative 3 month feedback, and are on a PIP soon after. If you're there after 9 months, it suggests you've demonstrated some level of value to your emp…

I can assure you there are plenty of underperforming, incompetent and even flat out absent employees cozied up in hidden little niches at all kinds of companies that don’t let them go for a variety of reasons.

Shhh!!!

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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Quote: "I then learned this was a interviewee discovered through Upwork - so I asked for all the proof and continued my investigation

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I'm not sure how this actually pans out if it works. Can you really refuse to use video for the entire contract of the job? How do you get paid if you need to submit tax documents? Do you pretend to be me forever?"

Having over 15 years working as freelancer through Upwork I can answer that.

1 - Can you really refuse to use video for the entire contract of the job? Yes, you can. But only if you're good at your job. 90% of my clients never knew my real face. I only did video calls with the other 10% of them while we were already deep in the project(s) and trust was already well established. I do prefer voice over written chat though so I have weekly calls with all of them.

2 - How do you get paid if you need to submit tax documents? Upwork is great in that perspective. They have a lot of FAQ helping you with all tax informations and if that fails you have live chat too, with support. However, in this case, being the fact it was an impostor, Upwork style of getting paid and filing for taxes are 2 different beasts they frankesteined together. You still get paid under the fake name using your desired method of payment and filing taxes under your real name, which is done outside of Upwork's control.

3 - Do you pretend to be me forever? Not necessarily actually. You can do bait&switch. Bait clients, do good work for them, create a great relationship with them. Then either you create a new profile under real you and move projects there or move them outside Upwork forever. The fake identity sham is only there to help land the clients in the first place. Once you hook them and they depend on you, they really don't care about Upwork's protection and all that, they just want work to be done.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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post #190

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If I can play devil's advocate for a moment... if the company gets decent work, the non-US participant gets better (and fairer, globally) pay compared to what they'd get locally, and the US participant takes care of the "soft" side of the operation... who's getting hurt? I can't deny that something smells skeevy about this and I don't think I could ever trust a random foreign developer who I haven't built up a solid…

Say you do it... the company pays you $100/h (making up a number to do math) and $70 of that goes to the person who does the job while you keep $30 of it. Guess how much gets reported to the IRS that you're making and how much taxes you'll owe on that $100/h. Next there's the fraudulent representation of who is doing the work to the client. Lastly, there's the "this is a form of money laundering" and you're taking a…

I’m not in the US, and playing devils advocate here: but don’t most employers withhold tax at source before paying to the employees? Ie your 30/70 cut would be net after tax.

Or if it was a contracting scenario, wouldn’t the US person be able to claim the 70/hr as an expense against taxes? Since wages are a valid business expense if you are outsourcing.

I use the term wages loosely here. The IRS does not consider wages/salary performed by people fully living outside the US (except US citizens) as wages within the US tax system, and so is not taxed by the US.

So it really comes down to how the agreements between parties are structured.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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This is utterly creepy. Kudos to the college kid who did the right thing here. I've never had anyone try to impersonate me for a job, but I have had people steal my photos and create Tinder profiles using them in cities I don't live in (I've been alerted because people who recognized me sent me screenshots). I tried to catfish the person who was using my photos to catfish others, but was unsuccessful. I dreamed of do…

You're probably a larger target for that sort of thing. Luckily you have a larger-than-average number of people who would recognize your face to alert you.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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It's so weird and creepy .. thanks for posting all the details of the investigation. I hope the person is nailed, but in the end this is the dark part of the internet. There's no end to fraud, identity theft and scams.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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This seems concerning.

Is this going to be a new problem that the gov is not equipped to deal with? Are we going to need to be on high alert that one day the IRS is going to alert me that my tax bracket is 37% because of my income from the 6 jobs I'm working? Then it will take months or years of legal battles to "prove" I didn't actually work 6 full time jobs this year.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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post #138

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What a small world! Unless you are also making up that story (which I would get a huge laugh out of) I'm 99% positive I was in the room with you when this happened. :)

Wait! Are you his manager or the imposter?!?!

It's impostors all the way down.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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post #270

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Everybody wins until the tax man comes knocking for all of the dollars owed, or when "Connor Tumbleson" gets flagged as a terrible employee when all those copy-pasted qualifications don't line up with reality and the work is mediocre. As reported elsewhere in these threads, the credentials and interview process are all worked out upfront, the interview no long becomes a valid test of qualifications for the position.…

> Personally, I'd call the authorities What, are the local cops going to arrest them? For what?

IANAL, but it'll be the Feds. Wire fraud. Ultimately somebody pays some money. It's across state lines. And it was done fraudulently. It will be the US person that gets hit for it.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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> I hope Andrew [0] — the college junior with morals who blew the whistle on the attempt to get him to impersonate the author — gets an internship or job offer out of this; he apparently was having a hard time with that. Excellent point. I've been wondering about ways to test students on "trust/morals" and decided its one of the most valuable yet least well understood qualities. Employers generally rank skills, knowl…

>Does a corporation care if the worker is an imposter and liar who abused a false identity to get the post, so long as they produce working results? It's definitely a concern when you need to worry about spies infiltrating your company

How would you like to constantly wonder if Steven in HR, who has enough of your personal info to take out loans in your name, can just vanish tomorrow without a trail?

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

#290
I had this exact same thing happen a few years ago, with an internal employee.

They had gotten someone else from the India office to conduct the interview. He said his camera wasn't working and we didn't think anything of it.

He aced the interview, even made good recommendations on the project he would be running.

The guy that showed up wasn't even at a junior level. It became painfully obvious after a couple of days. Pure red flags but the highlight...

- When asking for a project plan on an enterprise level project his response was "I can code all this in 3 days".

- Proceeds to supply broken code.

- When mentioned the code doesn't work he gets aggressive and says other people on the team broke it.

- Code gets reviewed by a senior architect (Bob) from another team. Turns out code was copied from an external github. So even if it worked it would be illegal to use.

- They get aggressive saying that Bob is jealous.

- Bob proceeds to document in detail the codes origin, legal details and points out where the code is broken.

- Bob and senior management have a meeting with the guy, where he is asked supply his original code (which he can't). Is then asked to explain exactly what the code does.

- Bob puts the cherry on the cake where he finds a simple broken function that anyone junior developer could see is wrong. Asks him to explain what is wrong with that code.

After that the guy got fired. Not sure if they investigated further in the India branch. But it was embarrassing all round.

I'm still not sure how the imposter planned to keep the job after getting it. I suspect the stand-in expected money and didn't get it. So didn't support them.

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