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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

kamaal wrote: post #280
igouy wrote: post #270

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However you choose to exercise, measure resting heart rate and maximum heart rate to fact-check. https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

https://functional-strength.org/heavy-hands-training-dr-len-... There are some more details in the above article. The highest VO2 maximums ever recorded by a group of athletes were not registered by endurance runners, which is what he had logically presupposed before his investigations, but rather by Russian and Norwegian cross-country skiers. Why was this? He wondered. It didn't take long for him to come up with the…

As-before, measure your own resting heart rate and maximum heart rate to fact-check.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by ezfe »

zikduruqe wrote: post #187
trimbo wrote: post #185

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That's 36 hours of normal use, with a 60 minute workout[1]. My Fenix 6 lasts 8 days of normal use and currently tells me it can record a 14 hour run even with only 42% battery. [1] - Details in footnote #1 on https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-ultra/

My Apple Watch with Cellular enabled is the only electronic doo-dad that I carry on my bike rides, even up to 100 miles. At the end of the night when it goes on the charger, I might have 20% left. That's good enough for me considering I seldom, if ever, leave the house with a phone. And if one could ever get a cellular enabled watch without an iPhone, I'll be first in line.

You actually can, it's called "Family Setup" and it allows you to use someone else's iPhone to complete the initial device setup.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by jononomo »

kamaal wrote: post #279
jononomo wrote: post #276

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Thanks -- I've now added 2-pound weights to my walks. I felt some bicep burn during an hour of walking uphill on the treadmill.

Ideally the 'pump' is not for your biceps, but shoulders. The book is really nice, he goes into the details of how it's to be done.

I think I'm going to go up to 3-pound weights. It definitely feels like a more complete workout.

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Post by boston_clone »

igouy wrote: post #278
boston_clone wrote: post #277

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Wow you're so right; I mean, when's the last time you ran anything more than 5km? That's likely some concrete evidence of humans not being able to persistence hunt. Or is that a non-sequitur, too?

16 km — 13 September 10 km — 11 September 16 km — 26 August 21 km — 7 August Well, you did ask. That's likely evidence, that once-upon-a-time, it was helpful to go a relatively short distance faster than walking pace.

Honestly, thanks for sharing - that's some good distance if I'm doing my conversions right :P

Our skin with its vast distribution of sweat glands coupled with our comparative lack of body hair certainly made us well-adapted to pedestrian movement.

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Post by djsavvy »

speedgoose wrote: post #239
djsavvy wrote: post #201

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A sibling comment to yours asked about the elevation --- apparently it's actually a measure of air pressure.

That's strange that they use such an inaccurate sensor when they have a GPS.

Apparently the reasoning is that what actually matters is oxygen partial pressure in the atmosphere, not true elevation. Measuring air pressure and reporting as elevation is a decent proxy for what athletes actually care about.

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Post by jononomo »

kamaal wrote: post #279
jononomo wrote: post #276

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Thanks -- I've now added 2-pound weights to my walks. I felt some bicep burn during an hour of walking uphill on the treadmill.

Ideally the 'pump' is not for your biceps, but shoulders. The book is really nice, he goes into the details of how it's to be done.

Ok, so I just did 4.1 miles on the treadmill at 8% uphill slope with 5-pound weights in each hand. I'm sure it works the shoulders as well, but there is definitely some bicep work going on there -- you have to keep your elbows bent, for one thing, which means your biceps must be doing some work.

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Post by darkwater »

igouy wrote: post #249
darkwater wrote: post #166

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Wow that's better than my personal record for a 10km run. Obviously you cannot compare yourself against the top1 guy in an endurance race, and not even against the top1000 but it's still mind-blowing how something that required a lot of effort (physical AND mental to be constant enough during training) for a normal human being can be literally nothing for another human being.

> Obviously you cannot compare yourself… Obviously you did. Obviously doing so is a basic way we can try to understand the accomplishment.

I... obviously :) implied "keeping you accountable for", like when you compare yourself to someone doing better and think "I need to do the same as well!". At least in my case I would ever dare to think I want to try to achieve something like what reported in TFA.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

darkwater wrote: post #287
igouy wrote: post #249

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> Obviously you cannot compare yourself… Obviously you did. Obviously doing so is a basic way we can try to understand the accomplishment.

I... obviously :) implied "keeping you accountable for", like when you compare yourself to someone doing better and think "I need to do the same as well!". At least in my case I would ever dare to think I want to try to achieve something like what reported in TFA.

Seems like you did dare to think whether you want to try to achieve something like that, and decided nope :-)

Sorokin and Ardzijauskas are "normal human being[s]"; and we can be pretty sure that their accomplishment was so much harder for them than "literally nothing".

Normal human beings can accomplish so much!

Seems like you could improve your 10k pb :-)

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Post by igouy »

igouy wrote: post #263
Andy_G11 wrote: post #257

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Interesting video here of one of the San people running down a Kudu which collapses from exhaustion after an 8 hour chase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o . Hard to compare this to Sorokin because the hunter is running in veld, not on a road, and has far less access to refueling points. Also, if he fails to track the prey down on day one, he would probably have a go again on day two, maybe even day three.…

Dog owners know to take water with them for the dog, if they're walking a few miles on a hot day.

That gives the wrong impression. That's about people trying to keep their pets comfortable, not about how well dogs can run in the heat.

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Post by igouy »

boston_clone wrote: post #284
igouy wrote: post #278

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16 km — 13 September 10 km — 11 September 16 km — 26 August 21 km — 7 August Well, you did ask. That's likely evidence, that once-upon-a-time, it was helpful to go a relatively short distance faster than walking pace.

Honestly, thanks for sharing - that's some good distance if I'm doing my conversions right :P Our skin with its vast distribution of sweat glands coupled with our comparative lack of body hair certainly made us well-adapted to pedestrian movement.

10, 6, 10 & 13.1

Thanks for giving me an excuse to look at the evidence behind persistence hunting speculation once again.

"… the main hunter, armed only with a digging stick, identified the fresh hoof prints of a duiker and followed its trail at a steady, relentless walk for approximately three hours.

The duiker was thereby pushed from one uncommon shade tree to the next in the hot sun. The bare ground beneath each shade tree was pock-marked with duiker tracks from many different animals, which slowed the hunter, who circled the perimeter of the shaded areas and was able to pick out the tracks of the targeted duiker as it left the location.

Toward the end of the hunt, when the tiring duiker was sighted for the first time approximately 250 m ahead, it was running at a right angle to the direction the hunter was walking along its recent trail. Rather than changing direction and walking or running directly toward the fleeing animal or making any effort to maintain visual contact with it, the hunter continued along the hoof-print trail.

At the end, the duiker was standing, incapacitated, beneath a small cluster of trees, with its head lowered and tongue hanging out. The hunter walked up to it, clubbed it with the digging stick, and then carried it back to camp.

In sum, successful persistence hunting by walking requires truly phenomenal tracking skills, with the added risk of dehydration and heat exhaustion even for the physically fit. On days following a walking hunt, Kua hunters typically spent a recuperative day of inactivity in camp."

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