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Plastic might be making us obese

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Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Hunger is incredibly hard to study because it is made up of many physiological sensations and psychological responses to those sensations, and none of those are readily comparable between individuals.

So we don't really study hunger very much - there are some really good studies out there, but not very many.

And we don't talk about managing hunger, we talk about managing calories and managing weight.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #237

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Is it lower consumption of alcohol?

Food. Just see what they eat (and how much). It really is simple as that.

we eat a lot of noodles and rice though. speaking as a fat asian i feel like that factors a lot into it (that i'm actively working on now)

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Is it the plastic though, or is it the sugar? Over my last few years of reading, I've convinced myself that sugar is the main culprit in massive obesity in Western countries, especially the US (i.e. high fructose corn syrup). Sugar is in everything (like plastic, I suppose). Look at the ingredients of what you buy and you'll be surprised where it turns up. Peanut butter, mayonnaise, beef jerky, even bog standard brea…

I consume multiple times more sugar than the average person, and I'm thin as a rail with a healthy metabolism. Sugar in itself isn't likely to be bad. Sugar in addition to a deranged metabolism is probably bad. Fixing the deranged metabolism, (which is likely to be caused by various environmental factors) will probably be the best solution.

> Fixing the deranged metabolism

> with a healthy metabolism.

how are you measuring that you have 'healthy metabolism'.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #275

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This article is not stating that lab rats are overweight. It is stating that some rats were made overweight by dosing them with these chemicals. There was a 2010 study that did suggest lab animals were fatter than previous years. However, it was not statistically significant for rats. Only mice. It did not specify a causal factor.

This article is."A significant rise in obesity incidence has even been noted in laboratory rodents and primates – animals raised under strictly controlled conditions of caloric intake and exercise. The only possible factors driving weight gain for these animals, researchers believe, would be subtle chemical changes in the nature of the foods they eat, or in the materials used to build their pens."

"This article" referred to the one cited by the parent comment.

The OP article does make this claim, though it does not cite a source. The only source for this claim that exists is the study I referenced, which you can read here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3081766/#!po=35...

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #257
post #237

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Food. Just see what they eat (and how much). It really is simple as that.

Don't forget that Japanese actively shame fat people! This is very much frown upon in Western societies but it works for them I guess.

They don't feel even slightly bad about it. It's as prevalent as obesity isn't.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #257

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Don't forget that Japanese actively shame fat people! This is very much frown upon in Western societies but it works for them I guess.

Shame should be a powerful motivator. It doesn’t seem to work too well in the west though.

shame is just as unhealthy as obesity. the west recognizes that, somehow.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #68

Is it the plastic though, or is it the sugar? Over my last few years of reading, I've convinced myself that sugar is the main culprit in massive obesity in Western countries, especially the US (i.e. high fructose corn syrup). Sugar is in everything (like plastic, I suppose). Look at the ingredients of what you buy and you'll be surprised where it turns up. Peanut butter, mayonnaise, beef jerky, even bog standard brea…

I'm American living in Europe. There is sugar in every packaged food here too just FYI. And not just in the country I live in, it's basically everywhere in grocery stores. So sugar is not the only culprit.

I'm an American in Europe, and really, what I've noticed here is it's natural sugar in stuff, whereas in America it's HFCS. I can't help but wonder if that's part of the difference. I list 5-10kg easily without watching what I ate (and drank much more cause there's nothing else to do of an evening in Ireland), while keeping the same activity level or slightly less. There's something different in the food, and I can't help but think real sugar and lower levels of it is a key thing.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

>Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Considering that Japanese use an absolutely terrifying amount of plastic for food packaging and aren't landwhales, I'd say the theory from TFA's headline is bunk.

Or it could simply be explained as the Japanese culture of eating conservatively; portions tend not be "supersized" unlike in America.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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"Thus, rigorously collected national data provide no support for higher energy consumption as a driver of the obesity epidemic since 2000. Strikingly, these data do not even support increasing energy consumption as a consequence of the obesity epidemic, i.e., that as people gain weight, they need to eat more. Rather, the data suggest that Americans have been eating relatively less, for their larger body sizes, over the last 2 decades."

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/115/6/1445/6572830?fbc...

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