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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by redox99 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #145
redox99 wrote: post #131

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> emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes) That seems pretty irrelevant? It's not like you have only one ambulance.

In remote areas of the US you very well could have only one ambulance.

And what if it breaks? You can't really have only one ambulance either way.

But even then, OK, you could argue that in some specific scenarios you need an ICE ambulance. That does not mean that ambulances can't be EV.

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Post by terrio »

paganel wrote: post #251

Loading our power infrastructure with the needs of tens of millions of cars which now rely on gasoline/diesel but which, in the future, will need electric power in order to function is downright criminal in this current geo-political climate. First, we don't even have the resources to provide electric power at decent prices as things are right now, that's why your nice 70-year lady living with her 2 cats in a house i…

Why are you so sure? Don't your Appartment not use any oven or hair dryer or dryer at all?

At minimum you can easily charge a car with 1.5kwh. that's less than a oven which might just eat 5-6 kWh while baking stuff.

It might need a little bit of smart charging, given, but we know how to build this.

In Germany it's expected that ev add 10% to the current energy consumption.

It's btw more efficient to burn the gas for energy in highly efficient big power plants were it's also much easier to filter the shit out and then using electronic engines (EVs) just because engines are that inefficient.

And in worst case we will still be able to have ice were it is really not doable until it is.

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Post by blahedo »

noirbot wrote: post #162
fy20 wrote: post #113

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More importantly, most of the places where people live in Norway are not actually that cold. In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

-4F is pretty cold, especially compared to temps in VA in the US. I'd be a little surprised if VA got to below 10F in the last 10 years.

Depends on where. Probably not in Richmond, certainly not in Virginia Beach. But up in the mountains it gets chilly. Winchester apparently averages a little over one day a year where the low dips below 0°F.

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Post by Symbiote »

Scarblac wrote: post #208
snuxoll wrote: post #132

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> Bike infrastructure can be used for walking. Please, no more of this. Bicycles should be on their own dedicated right of way, mixing them with cars is dangerous for cyclists, but mixing bikes with pedestrians is dangerous for pedestrians. Multi-use paths are fine for recreation, but they are not transit infrastructure and should not be treated as such.

And this is especially true for 30mph ebikes. Those really don't mix with pedestrians.

E-bikes in the EU are limited to 25km/h, 16mph.

Faster vehicles exist, but they are no longer considered bicycles. In Copenhagen these vehicles (petrol or electric) are forbidden from the more pedestrian-proximate paths, like those going through parks.

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Post by jjav »

fy20 wrote: post #113
peyton wrote: post #89

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Most Norwegian BEV owners also own an ICE for the winter. Adoption is high due to incentives.

More importantly, most of the places where people live in Norway are not actually that cold. In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

> not actually that cold

> In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

-20C is brutally cold, far colder than any coldest winter day I ever experienced while living in the northeast USA.

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Post by avtolik »

01100011 wrote: post #263
JKCalhoun wrote: post #61

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Strikes me as odd that electrics are not cheaper than internal combustion. I guess it's the batteries, huh?

Batteries and lots of copper and aluminum. Steel is cheap. You also have better economy of scale in IC vehicles for now. I feel like we're dismissing other hydrocarbons too early. When I was a kid, people had propane or methane cars which were basically converted gasoline cars. Sure, not anywhere near as efficient but combined with hybrid tech for regenerative braking you likely have a more efficient car overall(nat…

Propane converted cars are still pretty popular in Eastern Europe. LPG at gas stations is 2x cheaper than gasoline in my country. The popularity comes from the lower salaries here so I don't see EVs becoming widespread in these parts in the next decade.

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Post by [deleted] »

krisoft wrote: post #266
eyelidlessness wrote: post #137

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As both a cyclist and pedestrian, I definitely prefer bikes off the sidewalk. Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. Even if they get both of those right, they’ve frequently terrified my pup by just being faster and louder and larger than anything on foot she’s ever met. I’ve had to return hom…

> Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. You are absolutely right. As a cyclist there isn’t really any good way to reliably avoid startling a pedestrian in a mixed environment. Even if you do the even more conscientious thing and you slow all the way down to match speed with them, and then “wa…

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Post by willsmith72 »

therealrootuser wrote: post #187

As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

there's going to be a huge market for tech that lets landlords of large apartments easily install carpark outlets and track usage

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Post by eyelidlessness »

wenc wrote: post #262
eyelidlessness wrote: post #142

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Rain is definitely a problem for a vehicle which depends on lateral tilt to turn and which depends on inertia to stay upright. Speaking as someone who has ridden many years round in Seattle, where the roads lean along with the hills even where the hills aren’t that steep. Those turns are a mistake or an unexpected cross vehicle away from a crash on our driest days, but the rain really amplifies that danger.

I've driven in Seattle in the rain, and some streets (especially near Pike Place Market) are so steep that once my wheels lost their grip and slipped and rolled downhill a little at an intersection. I'm not sure why it's even safe to design an intersection on a very steep road that's difficult to stop at. Water and slopes are not a good combination for road safety even for four-wheelers.

> I'm not sure why it's even safe to design an intersection on a very steep road that's difficult to stop at.

If you want to know the alternative, cross reference the Denny regrade (for historical precedent of making the hills safer to scale) and the West Seattle Bridge (for current frame of reference of how a relatively small infrastructure project has a huge impact). Nearly all of the roads heading east out of downtown have a high grade somewhere uphill that drivers struggle with even on dry days. Gratefully most of the worst car routes aren’t major bike routes.

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Post by redox99 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #270
shusson wrote: post #239

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> There are some parts of this planet where it it very hard to envision mass EV adoption. A lot of EV's are already at 500km range. Within this decade we should see 1000km range. Add some charging infrastructure and we are gold. Just look at the chargers Tesla has built in California (and there is still a lot of potential to improve).

No EV has 500 km range when you drive it in real world conditions. If you drive it with normal highway speed - 140-160 km/h you can barely get 250.

In real world conditions the highest range Model S can do 320 miles (515km) [1]

Also 140-160 km/h aren't normal highway speed. They are in fact illegal in almost all countries.

[1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36302930/tesla-model-s-lo...

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