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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

I believe obesity denial is actually a bigger problem than obesity itself.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32566758

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Meanwhile, in a complete denial of reality, the IRS (U.S. tax agency) has just revised its life expectancy tables this year in light of what they claim is an increase in life expectancy. These are the divisors used to determine the amount of annual distributions for tax purposes that retirees must take from their pre-tax accounts (IRAs, 401ks, etc). And Congress also moved the required start date up to age 72 from 70.5, again in the direction opposite of that dictated by reality. (The point of the required distributions is to get all the pre-tax money out of the accounts and taxed by expected age of death).

"In general, since life expectancy has increased, the divisor used to calculate 2022 RMDs for a given age has also increased."[0]

[0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/juliejason/2022/03/02/theyre-he...

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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For one, we can start to treat city planning as a healthcare issue. Limit zoning restrictions that currently make driving everywhere the most convenient choice, stop all freeway expansion projects, and make as many walkable, bikeable, friendly neighborhoods as possible. If people want/need to go outside and walk or bike to accomplish their daily chores, they won’t need to think about exercise as much because it’ll ju…

People will literally rezone entire cities rather than saying we need to eat less food and workout more.

Rezoning entire cities also has environmental benefits.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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"Healthy at any size" does not literally mean "obese people are as healthy as thin people." I recommend reading the book, the entire point of which is about shifting one's health efforts from an exclusive focus on weight to a more holistic view. I.e. even if you can't drop that last 20 pounds (and many people struggle to do so, especially as they age), you should still eat a healthy diet, exercise, limit alcohol inta…

The "healthy at any size" kick isn't talking about an extra 20 pounds. From the pictures I've seen it is at least an extra 100lbs. The problem is by removing the stigma of being obese, we are ushering in massive health issues and disease for this upcoming generation.

The idea that we have removed the social stigma for being obese is laughable.

Obese people are discriminated against in healthcare, employment, and social settings.

Furthermore, numerous studies have show that fat shaming does not lead to weight loss. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/

Shockingly, it turns out if you tell someone with 100 lbs to lose that they are a disgusting lazy piece of shit doomed to an early grave, they tend to withdraw from health care and other social settings, seek comfort in unhealthy habits, and suffer from anxiety and depression. They may give up on their health entirely. After all, if you've struggled your entire life to lose weight and made little progress, then what's the point?

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Regardless of your opinion, the one bit of information provided by answering this question has little value other than to spark a pointless argument.

Not really and this is the problem. My quality of life decreased after my booster shot. Had severe reaction and my athletic performance dropped quite a bit afterwards never going back to the baseline pre-vaccine. Also having more heart palpitations and a decrease on VO2max. But apparently when I talk about this, I am either labelled anti-vaxx (even though I got the damn vaccine), a conspiracy crazy or people try to j…

My young healthy sister got myocarditis after her booster and had to be hospitalized. This is after successfully fighting off a covid infection months prior.

I'm far from antivax, and have had 3 shots myself. But it's crazy that you aren't allowed to talk about this stuff without being labeled a conspiracy theorist.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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> The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline. However, increases in the number of people dying from overdoses and accidents is also a significant factor. True statement but it should be the other way around. Deaths by overdoses are much more impactful in terms of life expectancy decline, since they mostly kill younger people.

Good point, one could measure (est.) years lost rather than lives lost as a way to quantify that.

"Let's lock down young healthy people's lives for 2 years so that the 86 year olds make it to 87"

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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It stands to reason that * If the vaccine is safe and effective, life expectancy would improve some over 2020 * If the vaccine is safe and ineffective, life expectancy would stay about the same as 2020 * If the vaccine is unsafe and ineffective, life expectency would drop below 2020 We are now witnessing the third outcome.

All else equal, yes.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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The "you are beautiful no matter how you look" social campaign probably doesn't help here. There are literally visual cues that you 're doing something in excess and your doctor tells you to lose weight but Instagram says it's ok to be obese. I wonder if there's a limit to it, is it still ok to be twice your normal weight overweight?

Do you live in the US? Fat people are routinely discriminated against in employment and healthcare. A few Instagram influencers and ad campaigns don't negate that. I have never met a fat person who wasn't aware they are fat. I do know two people who have failed to lose significant weight even after bariatric surgery physically restricted how much they could eat. After even the most extreme medical intervention fails…

> I have never met a fat person who wasn't aware they are fat.

"Today, 7 in 10 Americans are obese or overweight, but only 36 percent think they have a weight problem. In other words, close to half the people who are overweight or obese don't think they're overweight or obese."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/01/nearl...

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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It's mostly about diet, not calories burned, unless you're burning a LOT of calories each day.

For most people weight creeps up on them slowly. Losing a lot of weight quickly does require radical changes to diet, but not putting on the pounds in the first place is generally going to be a matter of burning an extra few hundred calories a day. Also, just not being sedentary all day is associated with a ton of positive health outcomes (possibly mental even more than physical) independent of body fat percentage. S…

Of course! Nobody can deny the panacea that is exercise. But it's still a widely misunderstood concept. Throughout many of these comments, people are claiming that the remedy to obesity is more exercise, but I hold that indeed a much larger component of combatting obesity is diet, not exercise.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Hear, hear. One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications - not to mention the additional burden on the health care system itself when they get sick. I fully acknowledge that it's a difficult subject, it upsets people, and it's uncomfortable. The greatest healthcare adv…

Obese guy here, we know. We don't really need the health system to tell us to drop weight (though of course, as a doctor inform us anyway). What we need is a sufficiently strong reason. Food is great and tasty, so we need a really good reason.

Mind you, everything is also more difficult as an obese person, so convincing me to lose weight so that I can e.g run better is really kinda pointless.

Doctors and the medical system can help with the issues around it, and manage the effects, but they are really the wrong place to solve it.

And no, the answer isn't making the streets more walkable (the streets around where I live are pretty walkable), or more places to exercise, since obesity is a diet thing.

And there is the issue, I think. The modern world is outstanding at solving wants by adding things. The problem is here you have to solve a problem by removing things.

I don't think this problem is solvable in the modern world at all, unless you are willing to institute calorie ration cards.

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