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Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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This sounds wonderful; I'm super supportive. But, is there anyone who can articulate the trade-offs without the snark? Are there research groups that benefited from the revenue who will now have to raise even more funds? What's made it take so long? (Beyond just "entrenched interests...")

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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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This is the first thing I've seen that could count as a signature achievement for this administration. This is actually pretty big and will have very positive follow-on consequences in terms of future innovation.

I expect this will be less noted and well-remembered than several other things they've done or are doing. This matters a lot to academics and science nerds, but won't be as big a deal to the general public as even something like the student loan forgiveness effort.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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> the free material could also include work funded by the national endowments for the arts and humanities. I wonder what kind of papers or other works come out of National Endowment for the Arts that site behind paywalls? Do museum admissions charges count as paywalls?

> I wonder what kind of papers or other works come out of National Endowment for the Arts that site behind paywalls? They do a lot of preservation work, so maybe they fund preservation-related research.

Probably a fair amount of historical research and such, too.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Just to clarify some things: - this is similar to how it works in the EU now - depositing the final accepted author version (without journal editors' final typesetting / grammar corrections) into a publicly accessible repository seems to be within these guidelines - open access publishing is typically much more expensive than the closed model for the researchers. Open access fees can be between several hundred and se…

So what? Publishing will be paid through grant money. Researchers just need to plan for that.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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I'm concerned that this will do nothing but result in fewer government awards and make non-governmental research more difficult to access. This directive still allows journals to charge open access publishing fees, which often exceed 12,000k, and allow grantees to add this to their grants, resulting in fewer grants. In addition, there will be no upper limit on open access fees, so privately funded research will essen…

so you're saying this doesn't change anything with regards to fees, how will it then lead to a decrease in grants?

Currently government funded research is either open access (and pays the fee) or is closed access for 1 year then becomes open (and is not subject to fees). Now all government research will have to pay open access fees, and the new guidance allows them to request additional funding for open access fees.

Currently the government ranks all grant applications, and funds everyone until it runs out of money. Under the new system it will run out of money sooner -- especially for smaller grant programs for early career grad students and undergrads.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so you're saying this doesn't change anything with regards to fees, how will it then lead to a decrease in grants?

Currently government funded research is either open access (and pays the fee) or is closed access for 1 year then becomes open (and is not subject to fees). Now all government research will have to pay open access fees, and the new guidance allows them to request additional funding for open access fees. Currently the government ranks all grant applications, and funds everyone until it runs out of money. Under the new…

ah, gotcha, you're saying that the fees that publishers charge will eat into the funding for the science itself

that makes sense, they should charge less, or none, and we should fund more

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Great! How about we reduce the cost of college by eliminating the equally parasitical textbook industry?

That's pretty much entirely in the hands of the universities and professors. To a large degree this is really a US-specific problem, US textbooks are easily 2-3 times as expensive as elsewhere. And the cause is likely that US universities require specific textbooks for courses, which is not how it works e.g. in Germany where I studied. I had a single course that required a specific textbook, which cost like ~50 EUR a…

How do you build lesson plans around students who don’t have the same textbook?

Seems like the only way that’s work is if the teacher provided all necessary info and books were only supplemental.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US military funds a lot of basic and applied research that is openly published. DARPA is one agency that does this. But separately there is classified research that isn't published.

I am referring military R&D as an academic topic, not a funding source. So the classified stuff.

I don't understand the distinction you are making.

Take a new program like "FELIX" - simplifying ways of checking for bioengineered threats.

IARPA funds that, and the research funded through that program can be found here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C47&q=N66...

From the look of it they funded 9 companies and institutions to do the research and their poster presentations can be found at the bottom of [1].

[1] https://www.iarpa.gov/research-programs/felix

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continues. I wouldn't go this far. Part of the current revolution in the private space industry is precisely allowing companies to own products that were partially funded by taxpayer dollars. As it encourages companies to fund their own money into it, rather than simply relying 100% on government funding. Further…

Yep, that is how the Chinese government and industry has gotten so far ahead in Flow Batteries: https://www.opb.org/article/2022/08/03/the-u-s-made-a-breakt...

The DoE didn’t free that tech to the public, the US government’s using licensing to actively prevent American companies from competing with the Chinese one they allowed a sublicense to be granted to (from your link):

> Forever Energy, a Bellevue, Wash., based company, is one of several U.S. companies that have been trying to get a license from the Department of Energy to make the batteries. Joanne Skievaski, Forever Energy's chief financial officer, has been trying to get hold of a license for more than a year and called the department's decision to allow foreign manufacturing "mind boggling."

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