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Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Probably lighter vehicles? Wear is superlinear with weight. Unfortunately, EVs aren't great on this axis.

A Tesla Model 3 is about 4200lbs. Most pickup trucks and midsized SUVs weigh more than this.

Eh that’s higher than the low end of an F-150, which isn’t something to be really proud of for a small car. The Model X is >5000 pounds. I think EVs are worth it overall, but something to keep in mind.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Probably lighter vehicles? Wear is superlinear with weight. Unfortunately, EVs aren't great on this axis.

Let’s not forget brake dust which is a lot worse than microplastics, EVs create a ton of that. I bet all things considered, ICE Toyota Yaris is less bad for the environment than some Tesla.

Nope, most Tesla drivers very rarely use their disc brakes, it’s almost all regen.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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And individual behavior is just the result of the culture and the systems that surround us. We can campaign for individual change all day long, and they'll have less effect than what legislation could bring. In fact I don't think individuals have much choice. They can inconvenience, or hinder themselves, in what effectively amount to a race amongst each other, or they can participate as fully as they can, thereby als…

As someone who lives in the Netherlands it's certainly true that our country is well-optimized for bicycles, and I personally do everything either by bicycle or by public transport as I do not even have a driving license, but it's also true that the Netherlands is easy mode for building the necessary infrastructure - extremely flat, densely populated, and wealthy. This isn't meant to disagree with you or the people w…

Kind of weird that the simpler, cheaper, healthier option is easy mode for a rich country.

Sam Vime's "Bike" theory of socioeconimc unfairness?

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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It’s a convenient distraction for people in industries that depend on externalized costs, and it indulges those prone to self-righteousness and judgment (e.g., people who moralize their transportation and diet). Heavy industry and pseudo-environmentalists are unusual bedfellows. I distinctly remember when Teslas became popular, the reaction from environmental types was often frustration because apparently environment…

> I distinctly remember when Teslas became popular, the reaction from environmental types was often frustration because apparently environmentalism is supposed to be about sacrifice and yet Tesla is allowing the unwashed masses to help save the planet. Honesty this is hard to believe, do you have any source/example to back it up?

Yeah, I'm thinking that such people, if they exist at all, are heavily outnumbered by the people saying

* Not actually physically possible

* Its just coal powered

* It's worse for the environment because batteries die after 3 years

* Rare earths!!

* Subsidized foolishness

* Toys for rich people

* Communism

And weirdly those people all get paid to write op-eds in right wing tabloids.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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Probably lighter vehicles? Wear is superlinear with weight. Unfortunately, EVs aren't great on this axis.

A Tesla Model 3 is about 4200lbs. Most pickup trucks and midsized SUVs weigh more than this.

A Renault Twingo weighs about 2150 lbs. This is a sensible car which seats two comfortably and four in a pinch. It also gets 40-50 mpg. No, you can't transport your quad with it, and it's not very useful when moving house. It's also not the right car if you're currently raising three kids; most aren't. The average occupancy rate for cars is 1.5.

Car taxation should scale quadratic with weight.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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A Tesla Model 3 is about 4200lbs. Most pickup trucks and midsized SUVs weigh more than this.

A Renault Twingo weighs about 2150 lbs. This is a sensible car which seats two comfortably and four in a pinch. It also gets 40-50 mpg. No, you can't transport your quad with it, and it's not very useful when moving house. It's also not the right car if you're currently raising three kids; most aren't. The average occupancy rate for cars is 1.5. Car taxation should scale quadratic with weight.

I think the issue with the nonlinear road wear taxation is that any fair system would have trucking paying basically 100% of the tax, and that would result in much higher goods transportation costs (I think it’s actually proportional to the 4th power of axle weight). Which I’m personally fine with, I think it’s bad policy to subsidize trucking over trains, but it’d be a big adjustment.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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There is a Kurzgesagt video on that exact point. Their analysis is that the emissions from shipping plants from further away to make your tofu is a drop in the bucket compared to the emissions you won’t be generating anymore by not consuming meat anymore. Meat which has to also have their food plants shipped around to them, on top of everything else. See https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs

Okay but animals raised for meat don't eat food shipped from round the world.

They do, soy for animal feed is grown far far away.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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which reality do you live in? the one where everyone lives in a mcmansion, drives a F150 and making an international flight on their private jet every other day? 60% of the population in the US is one paycheck away from being homeless. what the fuck do you propose they do, stop eating? begin with yourself. send the plastic toy you've typed this on to recycling and don't buy another one.

Yeah, I’m aware that I’m the problem. Here’s what I’m willing to do: not eat meat, not drive a car, not fly in planes, not live in single family housing, not use air conditioning for my apartment, and not have kids. Is that enough? No. But it’s all I’m willing to do.

>and not have kids

glad to hear that

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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You're getting closer. Suburban supermarkets might be unfeasible without long-haul trucking. That's just another example of the public subsidizing the suburban lifestyle, which is unsustainable without fossil fuels and public subsidies. Rail can very well transport goods from port to population centers, where box trucks can handle the last mile to stores.

Lol you came so close! Suburban supermarkets would get their goods just like your urban supermarket: smaller box trucks transporting goods from rail depot to supermarket.

I doubt it would be viable to stock suburban walmart via box trucks.

Re: Fishing gear accounts for an alarming amount of plastic in oceans (2021)

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To place this in context, it's 50,000 tons/year of fishing waste, versus 200,000 tons/year of microplastics from car tires: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/14/car-tyre... Further, microplastics enter the ecosystem far easier than the bulky big plastic from fishing gear, so the tire microplastics should be far more concerning to people. It's really weird how cars get a pass for so much. Try to live a…

And automobiles provide far greater benefits to society than fishing; impacting a far greater number of people.
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