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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by iasay »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #257
iasay wrote: post #195

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It's a tool. Another creative outlet. I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them. My eldest, now at university bought a new iPad Pro recently and uses that exclusively as her work computer. What you're doing is enforcing a semi-luddite position on your own kids because you can only leave them unattended with old things. Just be a parent ffs.

>I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them Sure, but kids also love eating only sweets, watching cartoons and playing videogames all day, that doesn't mean it's always good for them. Don't physical pencils and paper work the same without the downsides for kids, like staring into a bright screen? And by kids I meant 3-12 year olds, not Teenagers and college age kids who need an ipad for study and pro…

Correct. That's what parenting is for, not prohibition ludditism.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by nottorp »

jfoster wrote: post #20

Looks fancy. Is this what the market wants? I don't particularly like Apple, but I use a Macbook Pro. I've been keeping an eye out for a non-Apple alternative to a Macbook, but nothing seems to come close in terms of hardware. I don't mean technical specs. I mean a beautiful screen, reasonable dimensions & weight, a really good touchpad, great battery life, etc. A big foldable screen looks cool, but doesn't feel at a…

> I mean a beautiful screen, reasonable dimensions & weight, a really good touchpad, great battery life, etc.

The competition on the other side is on specs. It's hard to stick hardware with bigger numbers in a thin case. Look at Intel's NUCs vs the Mac Mini... they come with a power brick larger than the computer to win in specs, while Apple has an elegant built in PSU.

And... a working touchpad that can actually replace a mouse for 95% of use cases? How are you going to market that?

You want the largest numbers, you have to go with the others. If you can stomach windows. You want a less annoying experience, Apple unfortunately has about zero competition there. Which is bad even for Apple users because then you get masterpieces like the butterfly keyboard...

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by croes »

luismedel wrote: post #121
croes wrote: post #114

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Is it really an innovation? If I look at foldable S smartphones then this is like a bigger version with an external keyboard.

Why not? Was the iPad an innovation or a bigger iPhone/iPod touch?

I don't count an iPad as an innovation. It is just a bigger iPhone.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by wink »

jacquesm wrote: post #179
wink wrote: post #174

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There are several failure modes for innovation. New ARM-based chipset on a laptop? There are benchmarks and apparently we trust that they don't just melt after 1000h of use. (and sometime you can replace a laptop cpu) Smartwatch? Cool new thing, doesn't really cost an arm and a leg, might try that - maybe the battery can be replaced. A screen - the one thing that you had to carry very careful (crt), be careful not to…

Well, wait and see. Early adopters get to claim the cool factor and the rest of us can pick it up if and when it survives. But it's an interesting development and I do hope that it works out for them once they start fielding them in larger numbers, a recall of these devices in quantity would not come cheap.

Yeah, I mean waiting and seeing is the best idea if you don't want to spend/waste money.

Maybe we've assumed a different "majority of comments" and I saw more "I'm not buying this" and you meant the "this is a terrible idea" ones :P

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Post by prmoustache »

martijn_himself wrote: post #192
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #137

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Not parent and I don't have kids but if I did, there's no way I'm giving them an ipad. They can have coloring books, crayons, Legos and building blocks, doll houses, physical plastic, wooden and plush toys, restricted access to PCs/consoles, but no portable smart devices with screens, online connection and spyware apps. By kids I'm talking about pre-teens. They can get smart devices when they're teenagers.

I agree this is a good attitude and start off point for parents-to-be but I have to agree with other commenters that it is impractical and goes out the window pretty quickly unless you have nerves of steel :). Imagine for example being on a flight with a toddler throwing a tantrum, for the sake of everyone's sanity an iPad is a wonderful device. Having said that it is all about balance, and limiting screen time is a…

> agree this is a good attitude and start off point for parents-to-be but I have to agree with other commenters that it is impractical and goes out the window pretty quickly unless you have nerves of steel :). Imagine for example being on a flight with a toddler throwing a tantrum, for the sake of everyone's sanity an iPad is a wonderful device.

It doesn't have to be the kid's iPad though.

We have a "family" nintendo switch. I sure don't mind if they play with it on the plane, but at home they only have access to it on request and within a limited time. Same as for a laptop if they want to watch something or my eldest daughter's phone. There is no way these devices stay in their room either. I give them an allotted time, and all these devices need to get back to my office where the charging cables are once time is over. And if for some reason they try to cheat and use the fact I am busy with something to not take notice they are still using it, they get punished for a week without access to said device.

In the end I am glad my daughters are so creative and spend so much time drawing, building things with cardboard, glue and tape, or play outside. Usually screen time is limited to when I am cooking for dinner, after they took a shower. They still aren't stranger to tech but don't need to be hooked on social medias. My daughter's phone is mostly used to play music and for whatsapp, as well as camera when we go out. But since her time on it is limited, every comm is asynchronous and doesn't end with her having to answer to every single notification right away.

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Post by nivenkos »

TekMol wrote: post #10

Fold or not, what I want for a laptop is: A tablet with a matte screen. That can run Linux. So I can put it on a stand and a keyboard in front of it. That would be the ultimate travel setup! Working in cafes without having to look down all the time. Does something like this exist?

How would you use Linux when using it as a tablet though?

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

iasay wrote: post #281
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #257

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>I bought my kids ipads and apple pencils and they love them Sure, but kids also love eating only sweets, watching cartoons and playing videogames all day, that doesn't mean it's always good for them. Don't physical pencils and paper work the same without the downsides for kids, like staring into a bright screen? And by kids I meant 3-12 year olds, not Teenagers and college age kids who need an ipad for study and pro…

Correct. That's what parenting is for, not prohibition ludditism.

But parenting means also setting boundaries and not always indulging kids with the latest internet connected shiny toys.

That's not ludditism IMHO.

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Post by hu3 »

varispeed wrote: post #72

I really didn't want to do this, but I bit the bullet and bought M1 MacBook Pro. Oh, having previously worked on XPS 15, this laptop is like next level in terms of pretty much everything. I feel like manufacturers putting Intel or (to an extent) AMD processor in any laptop just waste their time. Sure there will be people who will buy it (who don't know about M1/M2), but it's like buying a legacy technology for premiu…

Problem with Apple computers is their software. Hardware is great though.

Until it can run Linux smoothly it will be undesirable for me.

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Post by nottorp »

jacquesm wrote: post #112
suction wrote: post #61

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In East Asia, novelty or "cuteness" of a product, i.e. the look of things, is mostly what counts. That's how East Asian makers try to stay ahead of the competition, because actual innovation that goes beyond the surface (no pun intended) is hard and not actually encouraged in societies with a confucian view of the workplace.

I think this is too shallow a dismissal of innovation in an area so large that it spans 35% of the globe, and there are quite literally numerous existence proofs that it isn't correct. The idea that all innovation happens in the United States and Europe is fairly ridiculous, innovation happens on all levels of product development, both deep in the guts of products as well further up as well as sometimes entirely new…

I have anecdata. I worked for an European guy who was designing new (and at least in his mind) innovative hardware from scratch in the US. And getting it manufactured in China. The Chinese looked at him like he was insane because he was designing everything from scratch instead of cloning something.

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Post by jjoonathan »

Algent wrote: post #228
geraldwhen wrote: post #176

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God help your soul if you need to deal with an ASUS hardware RMA. They are easily the worst PC hardware manufacturer of all, and they sell clearly damaged and broken parts as "refurb." They are terrible.

Also had terrible experience with that last year, brand new X570 constantly crashing after a year, found a capacitor leaking they kept the card for two week and sent it back without any change and with the shipping sticker directly on the box. Had to throw the card away (out of spite, I had my own machine constantly crash for months before finding the cause) and buy a new one and X570 is not cheap at all. I'll do eve…

My $800 Asus monitor developed a faulty power supply, so I RMA'd it in original packaging. They refused the repair on the basis that the screen was cracked and sent me back a cracked screen. Unfortunately, my proof pictures weren't illuminated and in focus on the corner where Asus RMA cracked it, so I couldn't prove anything and was SOL. Ah well.
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