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#282Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions
#283If your goal is equal opportunity you can look at socioeconomic class without considering race. Fundamentally the idea that race must be considered to achieve diversity is an inherently racist idea - you don't believe some races will get in without help.
> you don't believe some races will get in without help. What if they didn't? What if the Supreme Court decision results in zero (or near zero) black people being admitted into Ivy League schools?
In that unlikely hypothetical, I would say that the problem then lies elsewhere if there are zero competitive black applicants. Fix that problem.
You would have to ask black students don't qualify when equally impoverished students of other races do.
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I really don't understand current progressive ideology. Apart from discrimination against Asians, there is also the whole "Hijab empowers women" nonsense. I come from a part of the world where women have to fight for the right to take off hijab. They are shunned socially for doing so. In worse places, they can be jailed or beaten. Imagine coming from such a place to America, and seeing here women are wearing that sym…
> Its analogous to if you were an American slave in 1800s, got your freedom and sailed to the UK. And on landing saw blacks in the UK wearing chains as a fashion accessory. It seems so disrespectful towards your struggle. I would point out that chains are indeed a popular fashion accessory. I think that telling people what to wear removes power from them. It isn't contradictory to believe that telling people that the…
> I would point out that chains are indeed a popular fashion accessory.
The chains of a chattel slave are popular fashion accessory where now?
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> Racism is the belief that one race is superior in some way or another What's going on is discriminating and prejudicing on the basis of race. We can call that racism or anti-racism or peanuts & bananas, it doesn't change what the thing is. A person being advantaged or disadvantaged, being treated differently, on the basis of the race, something they had no control over nor consent to.
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> Beginning to repair that inequity is not racist. What is racist is to think you're inherently better than them, which is what many people who want to end affirmative action believe.
By all means: cite the data that shows this.
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#286I didn't realize college admissions' affirmative action had reached SCOTUS. I wonder what the outcome will be. Key summary: > "Today Yale joined peer institutions in stating emphatically that student diversity is essential to the missions of American universities and promotes educational excellence for all students,” President Peter Salovey said. “Our amicus curiae brief makes clear that the way we consider race and…
I don't think it's possible to have meaningful diversity of thought without diversity of background. That spans many attributes—race, economic status, where you grew up, etc. Race is obviously an important one, given how much it changes many people's experiences and perceptions. I think diverse racial representation is important, but is maybe better viewed as an indicator of success rather than a metric to optimize.…
People of the same background can vote for two very different political parties, which seems rather meaningful in term of diversity. Even people within the same house hold can vote for different parties, and its fairly common to hear people complain that other family members do not share their views about the world.
I would suggest to give this task of measuring diversity of thought to social scientists. If universities want to go by that metric then a rigorous and measurable definition should be the first step.
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>People want different treatment as a result of their different values and life experiences that they gather from their cultures Yes exactly. A white kid adopted by someone in a village in Kenya isn't going to want to be treated like an Englishman, and a black kid who grew up his whole life in a Montana country town full of white people with white parents (probably) doesn't want to be treated differently than the res…
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> "Colorblind" is a racist policy that is promoted by folks who want to ignore the past and want to see minority racial groups languish and suffer.
Again, feel free to cite the data.
Or just continue to assign motive to people you disagree with, whichever you prefer.
Edit: I should have looked before I leaped. Ascribing motive to people this account disagrees with seems to be their MO.
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That is literally the slogan of one of the saints of their ridiculous new religion, Ibram Kendi: "The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."
I was gifted a book by that guy for my child. I opened it up and it literally told my child to "confess" her "racist ideas." Why is Kendi calling out for my two year old to confess to her racism? She has caretakers of every race and I've never seen her react to them differently based on perceived "race." It's almost as if he's trying to program her to be racist. Needless to say I never read the child the book. Perhap…
> Perhaps Kendi can take a visit to Africa and witness that there are more slaves today in Africa than any other continent, food for thought for a target audience while he writes his next book.
He's too busy on the high-paying-racist-grifter-speech-circuit to do that.
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We discriminated against blacks in the past, so whites and asians deserve to be discriminated against in the present. Is this your position?
> We discriminated against blacks in the past, so whites and asians deserve to be discriminated against in the present. Is this your position? White people took everything for hundreds of years. Then, they turned around and said "Oh look, we own everything but let's just forget about skin color now". Discrimination resulted in massive inequality. The median net worth of a white family is $200k. The median net worth o…
That's a interesting form of tribal mentality, that a group of people sharing a common trait has some persistent identity, a "hive soul", that commits crimes and can be held responsible by punishing any member of that tribe. That hive soul replicates itself by producing members with the same apparent trait, competes for resources with other hives and so on.
I don't believe such tribe souls exist, but one thing I'd agree with is that the moment a man makes a decision to benefit from some organisation or nation, he becomes entangled with it, like a bus passenger gets entangled with the bus, and faces consequences for the deeds of the organisation, whether it's "fair" or not.