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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by knewter »

tsimionescu wrote: post #259
Eupraxias wrote: post #172

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By conservatives, do you mean the same people who believe we should be conservative in our application of government? Are you sure you are not speaking of liberals, who believe government should be applied liberally? Not like any of them act as they speak, but if I am not mistaken, that's what the words mean.

Conservatives are, by definition, people who want to conserve the status quo. They believe society is good as it is (or as it was in sine possibly imagined past) and seek to use the power of the state to prevent changes, and to revert any changes that are pushing society away from what they believe is the status quo. Conservatism has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "being conservative in application of gover…

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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by pessimizer »

rarec wrote: post #239
solarkraft wrote: post #231

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This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore. It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

The EU's a bit bigger than the UK by a fair margin.

Probably by about 5x. If the UK makes things difficult, they can just be ignored.

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Post by xdennis »

Sakos wrote: post #173
andai wrote: post #142

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What happened in 1997?

I assume he means the McLibel case ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case ).

There's a 84 minute documentary about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V58kK4r26yk

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Post by omginternets »

HeckFeck wrote: post #104
cowtools wrote: post #75

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Brits don't have freedom of speech AFIK. it was never in their social contract.

We had it through negative liberty, opposed to positive liberty. The approach was that everything was permitted except that which is forbidden. So, instead of a 'right to' free speech, rather we _would_ have no laws restricting freedom of speech (libel and incitement excepted). This was the understanding that would've permeated Parliament, the courts, the palace, and the hearts and minds of everyone who understood it…

What happened in 1997?

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

metadat wrote: post #174
canadiantim wrote: post #153

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From what I can tell it’s more the progressive wing of most countries who are pushing for authoritarian censorship of the internet. Just look at Canada

Is this common knowledge? It's the first claim I've encountered of Canada attempting Internet censorship.

It's a big topic right now in Canada.

Pre-Elon Twitter compared Canada's proposed regulations to North Korea and China.

>Newly released documents reveal Twitter Canada told government officials that a federal plan to create a new internet regulator with the power to block specific websites is comparable to drastic actions used in authoritarian countries like China, North Korea and Iran.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-twitter-com...

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Post by TeeMassive »

wyager wrote: post #235
TeeMassive wrote: post #224

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Please don't use this thread to shill a shitcoin that doesn't even remotely attempt to solve the issue being discussed in the thread. Even if the shitcoin itself weren't stupid, it's specifically targeting low-power iot devices, not general internet usage.

I thought I was mocking them, but whatever.

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Post by pessimizer »

jfk13 wrote: post #97
antonymy wrote: post #76

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My immediate thought as well. As this law will apply to ANY service available to UK users the only feasible solution for smaller websites and app developers will be exclusion to avoid liability. So UK users will simply start using VPNs to by pass region blocks.

Ah, the familiar HN bubble, where people instinctively think of "simply start using VPNs" as the solution. No; some tiny minority of UK users may do that, but the overwhelming majority will just use whatever services are "approved" (follow whatever rules they have to, to stay in the market) and remain available by default.

There are literally network television commercials that advertise VPNs now, and they've written software to make setup trivial.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

trasz wrote: post #195
fguerraz wrote: post #151

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Don't worry, blocking p2p is the next step and is extremely easy to do. China has done it already and it's very effective: * Force every service provider to register their IPs and domains (for CDN use) * Force every ISP to do stateful firewalling and block every attempt to establish a new connection unless the destination IP is on a whilelist maintained by the government. Problem solved.

It’s very effective because people just use (illegal) streaming services instead :-) Otherwise one can run p2p over VPNs, like for many other things.

Exactly. P2P file sharing only died due to the advent of streaming services.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

chongli wrote: post #120
jfk13 wrote: post #97

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Ah, the familiar HN bubble, where people instinctively think of "simply start using VPNs" as the solution. No; some tiny minority of UK users may do that, but the overwhelming majority will just use whatever services are "approved" (follow whatever rules they have to, to stay in the market) and remain available by default.

Loads of people in China use VPNs every day to bypass the great firewall and access foreign sites. They even rotate among many different VPN services when the ones they’re using get blocked. I see no reason UK users couldn’t do the same. All it takes to get grandma on a VPN is for an enterprising grandson to set her up.

>Loads of people in China use VPNs every day to bypass the great firewall and access foreign sites.

For what it's worth, in my experience when I was in China it was trivial to bypass the firewall using a VPN service.

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