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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by dan1234 »

superb-owl wrote: post #5

This is huge. Forcing Apple to allow app side-loading, third-party payments, etc is going to wrest away control of the iOS ecosystem (and eat pretty heavily into their revenues [1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/apple-implies-it-generated-r... I hope some of these regulations spill over into the U.S. and the rest of the world.

Will it though?

I don't know anyone who side loads onto Android, and even Epic gave up and put Fortnite back onto Google play[0].

I'm sure that any side loading will be hidden beneath layers of warnings designed to put off all but the most determined.

[0] https://www.polygon.com/2020/4/21/21229930/fortnite-availabl...

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Post by oaiey »

rootusrootus wrote: post #264
_the_inflator wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never underestimate the creative genius of Apple. They will come up with new solutions to keep their walled garden. "Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet" I bet this is going to be a horrible user experience. "Are you really sure?", "Apple takes no responsibility not warranty" whatsoever. What sound usually easy on paper...

I agree, it could be ugly. The GDPR is supposed to be great, but what practical impact did it have on most of us? Cookie consent dialogs everywhere .

Cookie consent is not gdpr.

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Post by _Algernon_ »

ajaimk wrote: post #121

EU regulation just ruins tech in my opinion. GDPR was great in principle but all we ended up with was annoying cookie pop ups. Apple did a much better job with App Tracking Privacy. And not, EU so regulating that to make it worse

Cookie popups existed long before GDPR was even on the drawing board. I don't dispute that the cookie banner regulation is stupid, but don't twist the truth to fit your narrative. GDPR is a completely separate regulation.

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Post by twoodfin »

Does anything about this legislation prevent Apple from simply offering a big switch to put your device in “unprotected” mode, giving apps and even full alternative OS’s unrestricted access to the hardware, but without any Apple apps or services available?

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Post by 8note »

cafed00d wrote: post #231

I hope Apple turns Xcode features into a tiered pricing model to counter balance and keep developers in check. 1. Want to use the swift compiler? Pay $5000 per year per user (pretty competitively priced if you compare it to the MATLAB Compiler) 2. Want to click any of the “Services” buttons to enable “Siri” etc in your app? $100 per user per year 3. Want to log and instrument your iOS app in production? $1000 per dev…

with sideloading, chances are that somebody will enable androud tooling and apps on iphones, so that wont work for too long

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Post by jahewson »

MrThoughtful wrote: post #179

Like so often with new laws, I think a more general one would have been better. Why is it about apps, app stores, developers, voice assistants and all that specific stuff? In my opinion, it should just have been this: A company is not allowed to artificially restrict what users can do with the products they bought. Then it would also not be allowed to restrict people from installing alternative operating systems on t…

> Linux on an iPad! How nice would that be!

Honestly? It would absolutely suck.

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Post by Jcowell »

caramelcustard wrote: post #194
warning26 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the biggest change we would likely see is that classic-game-rereleases would evaporate, as it would become trivially easy to install emulators.

It already is on XBox, so no.

Disagree. “Trivially easy” must be set in common sense to the average consumer. It must be something that they can do easily without any guides or tutorials. Changing my name on Xbox is trivially easy. This[1] is not.

[1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/devki...

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Post by jahewson »

obblekk wrote: post #148

I generally believe Apple, Google and others should be able to profit from creating some of the most useful, innovative and technically challenging products in human history (remember multi touch was not an affordable thing before Apple). But, 15 years (since original iPhone) is about enough to reward the innovation. Beyond that point, it is the role of government to open up platforms to enable the next generation of…

> Beyond that point, it is the role of government to open up platforms to enable the next generation of competition and creation, otherwise things start to get stagnant.

No this is not the role of government. Anyone is free to compete with Apple. Go do it.

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Post by vorpalhex »

rootusrootus wrote: post #269
vorpalhex wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30% is an insane amount.

How does it compare to a regular bricks & mortar retail store? Shelf fees, etc? Edit: downvoted for asking a question? Thanks HN.

How much warehouse space does it take to sell 3,000,000 copies of fortnite? How much shrink did they have?
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