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Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights
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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights
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The “consequences” you’re glossing over here include rape (both forcible and statutory), fetuses who would die at childbirth anyways, who endanger the lives of their mothers, and so forth. There’s no single group of people who seek out abortions, and virtually nobody wants one in the abstract: they’re a means for preserving bodily autonomy and a necessary consequence of our legal respect for said autonomy.
Frow what I saw rape and serious medical condition account for close to 1% together. You are left with the 99%: mostly a lazy and horrible way to do contraception. Ok: abortion legal for that 1%, I would go with that no problem.
> You are left with the 99%: mostly a lazy and horrible way to do contraception
Did you read Justice Thomas' concurrence? This court has contraceptives in its sight as well. I'm sure it's going to be a few, harmless steps towards theocracy?
Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights
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The “consequences” you’re glossing over here include rape (both forcible and statutory), fetuses who would die at childbirth anyways, who endanger the lives of their mothers, and so forth. There’s no single group of people who seek out abortions, and virtually nobody wants one in the abstract: they’re a means for preserving bodily autonomy and a necessary consequence of our legal respect for said autonomy.
Frow what I saw rape and serious medical condition account for close to 1% together. You are left with the 99%: mostly a lazy and horrible way to do contraception. Ok: abortion legal for that 1%, I would go with that no problem.
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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights
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The fact that you are straight calling people neo-nazis, and say that "so that Republican party never holds presidency again" proves my point. There are people on the other side of the fence that wants the opposite what you want.
They are a tiny minority at this point. I don't care what they want. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. The polls agree with me. Edit: Republican leadership is seriously considering banning birth control and sodomy at this point, and jailing rape victims for having questionable miscarriages. I do not believe these policies align with the opinions of average Republican voters. However, this is what Republican po…
Literally every state that bans abortion has concessions for rape victims, not a single one enforces any laws against birth control. I'm not sure who you think you're fighting here.
Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights
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I literally have a friend-of-a-friend right now being denied an abortion for a fetus with severe Anencephaly. There’s a group thread trying to figure out where she can travel to in order to terminate. These fucking monsters want her to carry this non viable fetus for 5 more months to deliver a guaranteed stillborn baby with 0 chance of survival. Can you even imagine the trauma that would inflict on the mother? The nu…
She is in the the 1% of case that make sense. The laws are based on a moral code that protect the most vulnerable.
This law is putting her life at risk to grow a mass of cells that may kill her, so spare me your empty platitudes.
Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights
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I literally have a friend-of-a-friend right now being denied an abortion for a fetus with severe Anencephaly. There’s a group thread trying to figure out where she can travel to in order to terminate. These fucking monsters want her to carry this non viable fetus for 5 more months to deliver a guaranteed stillborn baby with 0 chance of survival. Can you even imagine the trauma that would inflict on the mother? The nu…
She is in the the 1% of case that make sense. The laws are based on a moral code that protect the most vulnerable.
As I said in another comment: that’s simply not your decision to make. You’re neither qualified nor entitled to their private life; the fact that the particulars revealed to you in this instance meet your standard does not mean anything.
And no, our laws are not based on that fundamental principle. The US legal system is built on the English system, which emphasizes autonomy in the forms of property, self-legislation, and all of those other things that actually appear in our foundational documents.
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This strikes me as wildly implausible. The US broadly has very permissive abortion laws compared to most of Europe, but I have never once heard of anyone migrating to the US over greater abortion access. It's always economic/opportunity concerns. Going further back, during the Soviet era when abortion was widespread (i.e. 2-3 abortions per live birth in the 60s-70s), did anyone want to migrate to the Eastern bloc for…
> The US broadly has very permissive abortion laws compared to most of Europe a) I assume you're talking about the past, and not the future. b) The issue is less that our laws are restrictive , and more that they're written in a capricious, illogical, incomplete, and ignorant way. What do you think is going to happen to people with emergency reproductive conditions (e.g. late stage ectopic pregnancies) when doctors h…
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I think there are (at least) two things on this topic. The majority opinion didn't agree with Thomas (no one signed on to it). Second, event under Thomas' opinion, the question becomes one of shaky Constitutional footing. If these "rights" are not really Constitutional, the issue needs to move to Congress. There is nothing that prevents Congress from crafting a law to explicitly allow anything you listed. Also, it co…
While I support marriage equality, it seems like fundamentally the wrong issue. Government shouldn't be involved in marriage in the first place. A better solution would be to eliminate civil marriage from the legal code entirely. If people want to go through some sort of ceremony and declare themselves married then that's fine, but that process shouldn't grant them any more legal rights or privileges than single peop…
I think that's fine, and by that logic religious institutions can avoid taxes by following charitable institution policies and tax regulations. That would keep a lot of the religious scam artists out of the water and money that says it's going to go somewhere good, going somewhere good. But I think we all know at least 1/2 of America's heads would explode.
What American government should do and what American government does are fundamentally different things and that ship has sailed. No different than what priests, teachers and actors should do.
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You're suggesting we put a limit on the number of abortions someone can have? Maybe you think one is okay, but that's it. If a woman's life is in danger from the pregnancy, how does that figure into your calculus?
It’s a tiny part of abortions.
Mostly abortion is contraception after the fact, I think this part is morally wrong, a bit like killing a baby.
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This person is in no way interested in facts, they'll move the goalposts again after it becomes widespread practice.
I seem to be the only one interested in facts rather than hysterical speculation. The facts are nobody can produce a law or proposed law banning contraception or IVF or requiring every embryo to be used. What's been produced so far is an article from 2005 (above) about a handful of extreme conservative groups, which has clearly gone nowhere in the past 17 years and a video of Ben Shapiro, whose only job is to say pro…
Okay, I will make a note to reply to you again when these things come to pass.
At some point, you have to admit that the "hysterical speculation" is really just foresight given current events.
Will you admit it then? I honestly am happy waiting to reply till then.