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What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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Discussion of the "lab leak hypothesis" isn't helpful and has on the contrary done a lot of harm. The problem is that a "lab leak" is understood as something evil, intentional or reckless. The research into bat viruses however is vital. There is also no evidence that Sars-Cov-2 even originated in a bat, much less passed through a laboratory.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

#283

For those with a bit more background in the sciences, there's an increasingly massive amount of evidence to support Zoonotic origin. Philipp Markolin has a good rundown: https://protagonistfuture.substack.com/p/natures-neglected-g... Most of the "evidence" for lab leak is just weird insinuation -- it's increasingly hard to pin down what the advocates for that position are even arguing (e.g. whether it's a natural vir…

Of course it is zoonotic in origin. Otherwise it wouldn't have been novel. Viruses don't appear from thin air.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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Brought what to the market? Themselves or animals from a lab?

> Infected worker To be honest, I hadn't even encountered the idea that lab employees were what, selling infected animals at the market? Is this a real thing people are arguing? Who even comes up with this stuff.

It doesn't necessarily need to be a lab employee, it could be someone reponsible for disposing of dead animals choosing to make a quick buck

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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For those with a bit more background in the sciences, there's an increasingly massive amount of evidence to support Zoonotic origin. Philipp Markolin has a good rundown: https://protagonistfuture.substack.com/p/natures-neglected-g... Most of the "evidence" for lab leak is just weird insinuation -- it's increasingly hard to pin down what the advocates for that position are even arguing (e.g. whether it's a natural vir…

What makes you put on evidence in quotes? The deletion of the bat coronavirus database at Wuhan institute of virology prior to the pandemic is an undisputed and central fact. Your quotation marks do nothing to diminish this fact alone's inherent demand that Occam's razor be inverted.

Sure, but Occam’s is a logical shortcut, not a method of scientific conclusion. I personally suspect a lab leak origin, but I can’t say I have conclusive evidence. I just find it extremely likely based on a myriad of circumstantial evidence, and a lack of any conclusive evidence of natural origin.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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man I forgot all about this. so much has happened in the past couple years it's been impossible to keep it all straight.

2020 and 2021 were each at least five years long.

Fortunately, 2022 has been pretty quiet and uneventful.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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What's your explanation for the fact that Moderna patented the very specific 19-nucleotide sequence that codes Sars-COV-2 furin cleavage site in 2018?

Just think about what you're claiming here with this silly question. You honestly think Moderna patented a sequence multiple years ago, and then what, shared their research with the Chinese to unleash a virus and create demand for a vaccine they hadn't invented yet? Why in the world would they patent it before that? It's literally the dumbest nonsense. A more direct refutation though is that the authors were extremel…

...The entire point of patents is the spread of knowledge. What, you think researchers, people that are by definition expected to be well acquainted with the cutting edge state of the art, aren't trolling patent streams for inspiration?

I'm not even that much a cutting edge guy (I try to bring yesterday's innovation that no one noticed to people not even aware they should be looking at it) and I dig through the odd patent that catches my interest.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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Fun fact, Covid did leak from a Chinese lab, but it was in December 2021: >A lab worker was bitten and infected by a mouse infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant at a high-biosecurity facility in Taipei. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity...

Taipei, the capitol of Taiwan, is not a Chinese entity. This is a lab leak from a Taiwanese lab.

Taiwan is Chinese, but they're not communist Chinese. They are the Republic of China, not the People's Republic of China.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

#289
One thing I've noticed as a result of the pandemic: there are many people who think that Listening to Experts is the same thing as Doing Science. Everyone who has strong feelings about the lab leak hypothesis (in either direction) would do well to remember the Litany of Tarski:

    If SARS-COV-2 escaped from the WIV,
    I desire to believe that SARS-COV-2 escaped from the WIV;
    If SARS-COV-2 did not escape from the WIV,
    I desire to believe that SARS-COV-2 did not escape from the WIV;
    Let me not become attached to beliefs I may not want.

Just because the CDC or some other experts say it didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't. Just because Fox or some other conspiracy theorist says it did happen doesn't mean it did.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

#290

While I 100% am most invested in the idea it was from some type of wild animal (probably a bat - scientists have been warning us for YEARS that when we encroach and destroy habitats of animals we are pushing our luck for exposing new diseases) I did/do have a pretty niche theory that I saw almost nowhere else. So to be clear - obviously - I do not actually think this is likely: September 2019 there was a large explos…

Your Russia theory is on par with the one from the Chinese government saying the virus came to Wuhan from the US via some frozen food.
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