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Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by tcfhgj »

alexiaya wrote: post #265
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

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> Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. That is precisely because they don't give a shit about security. While others like Whatsapp bother with e2ee and resulting device sync problems and inability to do server-side search, Telegram just stores everything on a server without (meaningful) encryption and boldly claims that 'it is the mo…

While it may not be the most secure, for many casual users the level of encryption provided in cloud chats is good enough for the convenience of smooth cloud sync, which generally doesn't work with E2E messengers and I frequently lose messages when I restore my phone or get a new one. At least they say the encryption keys for cloud chats are scattered across multiple jurdistictions so they wouldn't be able to hand ov…

> smooth cloud sync, which generally doesn't work with E2E messengers

Wrong, see Element or Matrix generally

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by tcfhgj »

asddubs wrote: post #123
izacus wrote: post #62

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They also publish a fully functional C library that makes building fully (!) featured 3rd party clients easy. They support everything - from Linux, Windows all the way to Tizen. You compile it into your app and it "just works" with all the features of the main client. As a result, you have a large set of very good clients for pretty much all platforms. Imagine if the FLOSS darlings like Signal would make something as…

Signal's stance on third party clients is so disappointing. Telegram really has them beat there, although it has to be pointed out that Signal actually publishes server source, while Telegram doesn't.

Well,signal doesn't do it always as well, see the 1 year pause when they added cryptocurrency stuff

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by ggktk »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #257
scrollaway wrote: post #14

Telegram blows my mind. Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. Discord is a close second. But the quality and polish of telegram blows me away to this day. And it’s lots of small features and details such as built in translation for messages in a foreign language, all the smooth animations, quick look and summaries of channels with agg…

Checkout it's memory footprint on desktop. It is not using typical web tech (aka electron). It's just C++ & QT. List of third-party tech in their desktop stack listed here: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

The Mac client leaks a lot of memory when you run it for a while. Yesterday I had to restart it because it was using 2GB of RAM.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by ubercow13 »

benplumley wrote: post #232
fritigern wrote: post #121

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Telegram's Linux client is simply Amazing.

It's one of the worst Linux desktop programs I use daily. It gets scaling a bit wrong so all the icons look blurry, scrolling in chats regularly breaks (scroll wheel just does nothing but is fine in all other programs), and the one time I tried to video call in it it crashed. Discord's client is much better.

Are you using the Telegram-provided build instead of a distro build? Distro builds of it are often broken IME.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by jerryzh »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #270
kgeist wrote: post #224

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I quickly skimmed through the article (it's pretty long) and its main gist is that the author had a conflict with Pavel Durov's brother about his girlfriend, can you elaborate why you think Durov has ties to authorities? I don't see why working in St.Petersburg makes you a Putin ally.

Only two things matters in the security communication business: is the security verifiable, and the reputation of the service provider. Of these two, Telegram is hardly verifiable: its clients are open-source, BUT the sources in the public repository are updated very rarely, so if T. wants to slip in some malicious code aimed at a specific user to compromise their Secret messages, they can very well do it in a number…

I maintain a third party telegram client and I am curious how you find the Bs about rarely update source

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by ubercow13 »

woojoo666 wrote: post #200
annadane wrote: post #98

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Stop. Stop it. This is such an unproductive reply

How is this unproductive? Top comment listed reasons they use telegram, reply gives an alternative that has everything the top comment listed

It doesn't have everything listed at all.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by 19h »

lucb1e wrote: post #135

Read the whole post and I have just one small question... where the heck do I sign up? There is no link, no steps to follow, there is no update available for my clients that would perhaps spawn a subscribe button somewhere... how much does premium even cost? I don't get it. I want to buy it, I've been wanting to pay for this service for so long (it just feels so shady this whole time, it's gigabytes of (unencrypted)…

I was only able to buy premium when I switched my account to my US number and then back to my German number..

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

jerryzh wrote: post #285
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only two things matters in the security communication business: is the security verifiable, and the reputation of the service provider. Of these two, Telegram is hardly verifiable: its clients are open-source, BUT the sources in the public repository are updated very rarely, so if T. wants to slip in some malicious code aimed at a specific user to compromise their Secret messages, they can very well do it in a number…

I maintain a third party telegram client and I am curious how you find the Bs about rarely update source

Last update of Android version of Telegram on Github: 2022-04-29 [1]

Last update of Telegram on Google Play: 2022-06-17 [2]

[1]: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/commits/master

[2]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.telegram.m...

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by 19h »

I’ve been using telegram since 2013 every single day. I don’t want my chat app to drain my battery, I don’t want it to waste bandwidth and I want to be able to have so little latency that I feels real-time no matter where I am.

Telegram feels like that group of people they warned you about. Sexual and political freedom. Be whatever you want others to see you like. Easy bot API, deep event based td-lib SDK, censorship bypass through MTProto proxies. Delete messages you sent before your crush sees them because you changed your mind. Send messages anonymously in a group if you have multiple admins. Forbid people from clicking your profile when your messages are forwarded. See the people who saw your messages in a group.

Telegram feels like the last place where as a European I’m not dealing with US-identity ideology, where I’m not dealing with copyright censorship, where everyone can speak up no matter how normal or insane.

In this moment I have 17 bots keeping me up to date with all the things happening, and telegram has essentially become the single stream of news and online social interactions for me.

Re: 700M users and Premium

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Post by cies »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #259
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

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> Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. That is precisely because they don't give a shit about security. While others like Whatsapp bother with e2ee and resulting device sync problems and inability to do server-side search, Telegram just stores everything on a server without (meaningful) encryption and boldly claims that 'it is the mo…

The most secure messenger...that just so happens to be developed by a Russian company headquartered in the same building as VK, a known Kremlin-controlled social media network! https://theoutline.com/post/2348/what-isn-t-telegram-saying-...

> developed by a Russian company

Yeah. And WhatsApp/FB/MSNMessenger/GChat by US companies. Both are detrimental for your privacy.

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