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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Wow. Just wow. The "radical" US left equals the conservative right in many European countries. While you certainly may think Europe is full of "second tier countries", I think it's time to broaden your horizons. If anything the problem is they are ineffective and are poor at keeping file and rank compared to the GOP. The GOP on the other-hand tries to drive the US towards a ultra-conservative future, erasing the sepa…

This may have been true sixty years ago, but certainly not today. The conservative right in European countries is turning hard-nationalist in response to massive net immigration. Simply look to the campaigns of Zemmour and Le Pen in France or Orban in Hungary.

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I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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To be honest, I kind of went the other way. I saw what republicans are really about and noped my way out. I used to believe them when they said they were USA first, bring the jobs back to America, stand up to foreign dictators, small government, etc... But the past 10 years have put a lie to their posturing on nearly every front. January 6th was a turning point for me, all of a sudden there was a chance that we were going to have a president sitting in office despite the end of his term. A man willing to start a civil war rather than concede a valid election.

The Republican I really respect at this point is Mike Pence. I used to think he was a theocrat idiot with mush for brains. But now I realize he's all that AND a brave and honest man who actually gives two shits about democracy.

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Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

> as long as it's not within his companies

Where does the idea originate that there has to be a democracy in a private company?

If I were to take my money and start a company, and risk it all, I would go to great lengths (within the law) to make decisions that make my venture successful.

That does involve exercising my rights to choose employees that further this goal, and firing those that don’t.

Democracy in politics where we have an inalienable right to vote, happens in a different domain.

I fail to understand why everyone gets so worked up.

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Travis Kalanick visited a bar with escort services with female employee presence, and he resigned in 2017. Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned a female employee for sex, he keeps his job in 2022.[1]

I feel sorry for the progress of gender equality in Silicon Valley.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flig...

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I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Where has the left gone off the deep end other than in Tucker's lunatic and manipulative ravings? Please give us concrete examples, yes woke politics might have gone overboard for many's tastes but where has that had any real impact on day to day life? In the mean time the right has gone full throttle on an anti-democracy cult following of a single person's unproven and clearly false claims of election fraud, and taken the country on a very dark path that is in direct opposition to our constitution, the rule of law and our way of life.

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It would be unexpected for a company run by a free speech absolutist.

I had to look up what a free speech absolutist was[0]. As far as the definition goes, which is about opposing any speech restrictions from the state, I don't see how the internal communications of a private company falls under that. 0. https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/free-speech-absolutist/4...

The point I assume GP was trying to make is that Musk only applies that difference when it suits him. That attitude shows hypocrisy and is evidence that he’s using it to further personal power instead of actually caring about the moral philosophy of the matter.

He seems to treat his own speech as if it is completely unfettered by any restraint, regardless of consequences for self or company (see the sheer number of times he’s upset the SEC via tweet compared to any other C-level in the world), while restraining the shit out of his subordinates’.

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> giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. > I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV. YMMV indeed, because every conservative I talk to is seeing him as a hero who is finally speaking truth to power, and calling B.S. on the establishment (political, corporate HR, academic) narratives that have been running through the culture. They aren’t sick of him at a…

But are they buying Teslas?

Maybe this is a long term play to try to get the people he's catering his message to to start buying electric vehicles?

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I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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I see this kind of comment a lot and it's bizarre to me. It echoes Elon's own views [1]. It's bizarre because it shows just how normalized right-wing views are in the US. Some highlights:

1. There are like 4 progressive members of Congress. Compare this to how many Republicans openly support QAnon conspiracies and other right-wing positions;

2. Anywhere else in the world, the Democrats would be a center-right party;

3. The Democratic Party actually hates progressives and goes out of its way to rid the party of them. Look at the hit job on Bernie Sanders in 2016. Look at the recent primary in the Texas-28 where Nancy Pelosi and Clyburn went to campaign for Henry Cuellar, who is pro-gun and the only anti-choice Democrat remaining in the House over Cisneros, an actual progressive;

4. Based on leaks there's a high likelihood the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade, pushing back 50 years of progress;

5. IN 2008 (in Heller) the Supreme Court for the first time recognized the Second Amendment as an individual right;

6. The Roberts Supreme Court also decided money is speech, which has openeed the floodgates for primarily conservative PACs;

7. The same court gutted the Civil Rights Act in terms of voter protection, which has led to a wave of anti-voter measures in red states;

8. Primarily red state has gerrymandered the hell out of states. For example, in Wisconsin, the GOP holds a super-majority despite getting 10% less of the vote;

9. Despite numerous incidents of easy access to firearms leading to the mass murder of school children multiple times there is not (and will not be) any meaningful restriction on access to mass murder machines (aka assault rifles);

10. Obamacare, pretty much the only lasting achievement of the Obama era, has largely been gutted;

11. Trump's tax cuts despite a Democrat in the White House and Democratic control of the House and Senate remain largely in place; and

12. As soon as the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, they'll probably next come for gay marriage.

This is just off the top of my head. So how exactly has the left gone off the "deep end" exactly?

There's really only been progress on two issues:

1. Gay marriage was legalized (but, as noted, that's at risk of being reversed); and

2. There have been advancements in trans rights.

This I think is the crux of the matter when people talk about the "far left". They really mean they hate trans people and want them to go away.

Conservatives are sore winners but great propagandists as evidenced by the fact that this myth that conservatives are "losing" perpetuates at all.

[1]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144

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I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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> There are a lot of people who have seen the left in the US go off the deep end

As crazy as the left in the U.S. might be, it's genuinely hard to beat the craziness of e.g. suggesting that injecting bleach is a legitimate COVID-19 treatment, or shameful pandering to anti-masks, anti-vaccination sentiment.

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Wow. Just wow. The "radical" US left equals the conservative right in many European countries. While you certainly may think Europe is full of "second tier countries", I think it's time to broaden your horizons. If anything the problem is they are ineffective and are poor at keeping file and rank compared to the GOP. The GOP on the other-hand tries to drive the US towards a ultra-conservative future, erasing the sepa…

> The "radical" US left equals the conservative right in many European countries.

Who cares? The US is not a European country, so the point is irrelevant. And although I see it repeated a lot, I don't think it's factual either.

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