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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by skummetmaelk »

nrp wrote: post #149
mssdvd wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the main reasons for not shipping to other EU / EEA countries?

Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!

Please don't let weird localized keyboards block this. We don't care about that stuff. People buying framework laptops are able to change their keyboard layout in software and use it without having to look at the symbols present on the keyboard. Yes the physical layouts are also different, but that really doesn't matter. Just make it available and forget about these tiny issues that your target market of power users don't care about.

I want to throw my money at you, but I can't because the laptop is not available for shipping to the country I live in.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

nrp wrote: post #149
mssdvd wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the main reasons for not shipping to other EU / EEA countries?

Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nerdjon »

it is exciting to see an upgradeable laptop actually be upgradable.

But I have to wonder what the market for this is? The primary use case I see for something like this is a gaming laptop, which this is just nowhere near being suitable for.

Outside of that use case, for the vast majority of compute workloads is being able to upgrade really a need? I have 2 laptops (well technically 3 but I don't count my work one really). A gaming laptop and my Mac as my primary computer outside of gaming. I tend to upgrade my Mac maybe... 4 or 5 years. Maybe even more than that. My Mac I got in 2019 and feel no need to upgrade anything in it.

My gaming laptop on the other hand... If I had the ability to upgrade that I would likely upgrade parts every year or 2... like a good a gaming desktop.

What am I missing here outside of the excitement of an upgradeable laptop? I don't want to diminish the work on that, I am just unclear the use.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by KerrickStaley »

Goronmon wrote: post #154
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

The Trackpoint seems redundant to me because I can manipulate the trackpad with my thumb without leaving the home row, and for me it's faster and more comfortable than a Trackpoint.

Using your thumb to control the trackpad works better on Mac laptops because the Force Touch trackpad allows you to press anywhere to click. Most PC laptops have a "diving board" click mechanism which means it gets progressively harder to click the further you are from the bottom, and clicking near the top is impossible. Also, Mac laptops position the top of the trackpad closer to the keyboard than other laptops I've seen.

You can use tap-to-click as a work-around for being unable to click the top of the trackpad, but I find tap-to-click less usable for other reasons.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by kieranl »

moderation wrote: post #261
klaas- wrote: post #194

Any news about lvfs support from framework?

Haven't been able to find anything beyond his Jan 6 2022 tweet [0]. No response in the forums for this question [1] from 4 days ago. Frustrating to not be able to upgrade BIOS for Linux users without resorting to Windows or replacing boot loaders 0. https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/147913722834957517... 1. https://community.frame.work/t/lvfs-3-07-bios-availability/1...

We have LVFS updates in lvfs testing but there is a bios capsule update bug that wipes the boot entries on update. Feedback from 3.07 was that some distros fail to boot after the update because they do not put a efi loader in the fallback path of the ESP partition. So we are hesitant to enable LVFS on 11th gen due to this issue. The code that handles this runs from the previous bios, so we cannot fix this in the capsule. We do offer a EFI update which you can use without booting into windows. https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by sryie »

KerrickStaley wrote: post #284
Goronmon wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

The Trackpoint seems redundant to me because I can manipulate the trackpad with my thumb without leaving the home row, and for me it's faster and more comfortable than a Trackpoint. Using your thumb to control the trackpad works better on Mac laptops because the Force Touch trackpad allows you to press anywhere to click. Most PC laptops have a "diving board" click mechanism which means it gets progressively harder to…

Is there a way to middle click with this method? I use that often for new tabs and ThinkPads have the physical button at the top and tap to click is just three fingers.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by leodriesch »

4ggr0 wrote: post #215

I'm now waiting for over a year for this laptop to be available in my country. Would still really like to order one, but my patience is running out, don't have a laptop currently. EDIT: I sound very pissed off. I know that it's hard to ship to lots of countries, it's just frustrating for me to not even have an estimation. Will I be able to buy it in 3 or 6 months? Or does it take another year? no idea.

If you're fine with import tax and an American keyboard, there are services [0] that provide you with an American address and send any packets that arrive there to you via international shipping.

[0]: https://www.myus.com/

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by reaperducer »

sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

have not had any issues with battery life

Looks like it can be charged from any USB-C port you install in it.

Much better than my work-assigned ThinkPad, which only allows charging through one specific port. As if everyone on the planet has their wall plug in the same location.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by arinlen »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #275
arinlen wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (...) just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing. Doesn't disabling anti-aliasing make things look worse? Unintentional and random jagged lines never look right.

anti-aliasing matters a lot less when you have a high resolution display.

> anti-aliasing matters a lot less when you have a high resolution display.

The original claim is that turning off anti-aliasing would make things look better, and not that it looks bad but not that bad.

Even in high res displays, isn't it true that anti-aliasing makes things look better?

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