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Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by Jcowell »

phtrivier wrote: post #225
JohnWhigham wrote: post #115

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Large amount of blue checkmark journalists live there, simple as that.

But just imagine if those journalists had to live without twitter ? They would have to report things from "the real world" ! I've been there. It's awfully complicated, and sometimes people disagree with you and you have to talk. Insane.

I’m confused , doesn’t this already happen on Twitter? Isn’t one of the popular Christian’s on Twitter that if you say the “wrong thing” a mob will come for you ?

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Post by [deleted] »

nickstinemates wrote: post #270
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #256

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> I think it's just a dog whistle to the people who believe google have a guy in a room somewhere turning the "conservative search results" lever down a notch during elections. Even if that's precisely true, is it not good to be creating a more trusted space for everyone? The grievances, regardless of merit, are mostly coming from the right. If you want to create a service that caters to all you're going to have to a…

Perception is reality and right now the perception is a clear bias toward the left on Twitter. Anything that can be done to combat this fairly is a good thing.

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Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by monkeywork »

philosopher1234 wrote: post #252
memish wrote: post #188

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"Among the elite, and within Twitter specifically, there is much more inclination to ban the right. I say this as someone whose political views, if you force them onto the left-right spectrum, probably end up about 80% toward the left. E.g. I've spent millions over the past several elections supporting the Democrats. It used to be that censorship was something the right did, and free speech was something the left wer…

I’m pro censorship. We have and need speech norms. The left and right are not equal. The left does not rely as much on lies to advocate its positions, and the left is not as oriented around destruction and regression as the right. We need a more robust understanding of speech than “allowed or not”. Emphasis & volume matters.

I'm someone on the left and I fundamentally disagree with literally every point you made.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by abledon »

axg11 wrote: post #95

I've worked on very large scale recommendation systems at a FAANG. If Twitter's system resembles anything like ours, the concept of publishing or open sourcing "the algorithm" doesn't make sense. Even if we were to open source all associated code and publish all related documents it would be very difficult to make sense of the entire system. That is precisely why companies such as Twitter A/B test the hell out of eve…

theres gonna be a few crazy guys who devote their entire time to understanding some obscure part of this algorithm

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by philosopher1234 »

monkeywork wrote: post #283
philosopher1234 wrote: post #252

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I’m pro censorship. We have and need speech norms. The left and right are not equal. The left does not rely as much on lies to advocate its positions, and the left is not as oriented around destruction and regression as the right. We need a more robust understanding of speech than “allowed or not”. Emphasis & volume matters.

I'm someone on the left and I fundamentally disagree with literally every point you made.

Good for you.

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Post by charcircuit »

madeofpalk wrote: post #237
EricE wrote: post #220

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Twitter is transparent in how they do shadow bans? They still deny they are a thing but it's clear to see the network effects of them. Twitter is transparent - that's the most hilarious thing I have read today!

Has there ever been any actual indication of twitter shadow bans being a real thing, or are we putting it in the same "weird conspiracy theory" category as "facebook listens using microphone to target ads"? I follow a few people in "gamer/twitch twitter" and every now and then this meme pops up of twitter secretly deranking "go live" twitch.tv tweets, which is much more palatable to these people than the reality of j…

Yes, there is. I had a friend accidently shadow ban himself by posting nsfw art without marking it as nsfw. After that his future posts wouldn't show up when searching hashtags he had tweeted on. He had to make a new account until the older one was good again.

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Post by jacobolus »

Yoric wrote: post #239
triyambakam wrote: post #216

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To those that are probably triggered by this and likely even uninformed, the "left" view has been that the laptop story was fake, but it turns out it was real.

Oh, was this finally confirmed? I stopped following that story a long time ago.

What was “confirmed” was that many emails placed onto the hard drive were, in fact, real emails. (The content of those emails is fairly innocuous, neither illegal nor even particularly corrupt. But a year of continuous drumbeat spun GOP partisans into a frothy outrage about it.)

Those who investigated thoroughly found that the chain of custody of the hard drive was incredibly sloppy and the content of the hard drive was changed multiple times, making it impossible to confirm where the hard drive came from or who put which content onto it.

The speculation is that someone obtained Hunter Biden’s emails in some unrelated way (e.g. from other hacks) and then placed them onto the hard drive in question as a way to obscure the source/method.

Here’s the clearest story explaining the details: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-...

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Post by nightski »

transitivebs wrote: post #172
dmonitor wrote: post #17

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It was created 20 minutes ago. Maybe a WIP?

For a company of Twitter's scale and resources, any public repos are supposed to go through legal to clear (this is how things work at every FAANG I've worked at). So if it was a WIP, it'd be a private repo until it's ready to release publicly.

Well, all FAANG companies are public.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by selectodude »

memish wrote: post #265
mcphage wrote: post #246

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Which side is on a book banning tear again?

Both! The difference is in what they target. "On the right, banning books means trying to prevent their kids from reading them. But on the left it often means trying to prevent anyone from reading them." https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1515563419386191880

Paul Graham's tweet with zero corroborating evidence other than "believe me I'm paul graham" is not a source.

Re: twitter/the-algorithm

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Post by oxplot »

madeofpalk wrote: post #196
pavon wrote: post #78

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The Twitter board has unanimously approved Musk's purchase, pending approval by stockholders, and Musk has stated that once he owns the company they will open source the "algorithms" for transparency. So not a troll, but yes it is odd to put up an empty repo, and announce the repo before there is anything in it.

Seems like a perfect troll/joke, especially given everything.

Trolling your new boss is a sure way to get your ass fired.

EDIT: in case you're not aware, Musk has stated that one of the first things he'll be doing after taking Twitter private is to open source its algorithm.

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