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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by 0F »

dntrkv wrote: post #229
0F wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally everyone on this website is in denial. They all approach it by asking which fields will be safe. No field is safe. “But it’s not going to happen for a long time.” Climate deniers say the same thing and you think they should be wearing the dunce hat? The average person complains bitterly about climate deniers who say that it’s “my grandkids problem lol” but when I corner the average person into admitting AI…

I don't think anyone is in denial about this, it's just not something anyone should concern themselves with in the foreseeable future. AI that can replace a dev or designer is nowhere close to becoming a reality. Just because we have some cool demos that show some impressive capabilities in a narrow application does not mean we can extrapolate that capability to something that is many times more complex.

I strongly and emphatically disagree. You frame it like we invented these AIs. Did we write the algorithms that actually run when it’s producing its output? Of course not, we can’t understand them let alone write them. We just sift around until we find them. So obviously the situations lends its self to surprises. Every other year we get surprised by things that all the “experts” said was 50 years off or impossible, have you forgotten already?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by mod »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #107
andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

If you went to an artist who takes commissions and they said "Here are the guidelines around the commissions I take" would you complain in the same way? Who cares if it's a bunch of engineers or an artist. If they have boundaries on what they want to create, that's their prerogative.

Of course it's their prerogative, we can still talk about how they've limited some good options.

I think your analogy is poor, because this is a tool for makers. The engineers aren't the makers.

I think a more apt analogy is if John Deere made a universal harvester that you could use for any crop, but they decided they didn't like soybeans so you are forbidden to use it for that. In that case, yes I would complain, and I would expect everyone else to, as well.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by dqpb »

agloeregrets wrote: post #55

The most interesting item to me is the variations on the garden shop and bathroom sink idea. The realism of these leaks the AI lacking intuition of the requirements. This makes for a number of nonsensical designs that look right at first like: This Sink lacks sensical faucets. https://cdn.openai.com/dall-e-2/demos/variations/modified/ba... This doorway is downright impossible https://cdn.openai.com/dall-e-2/demos/var…

It looks to me like the faucet sprays water sideways toward the bowl, which is genius, because then you aren’t bumping up against it when you’re washing your hands!

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by sillysaurusx »

loufe wrote: post #278
sillysaurusx wrote: post #262

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Depends whether you think models should be able to generate cp. It's almost impossible to even give an affirmative answer to that question without making yourself a target. And as much as I err on the side of creator freedom, I find myself shying away from saying yes without qualifications. And if you don't allow cp, then by definition you require some censoring. At that point it's just a matter of where you censor,…

There are so many excellent, thought-provoking comments in this thread, but yours caught me especially. Something that came to mind immediately upon reading the release was the potential for this technology to transform literature, adding AI generated imagery to turn any novel into a visual novel as a premium way to experience the story, something akin to composing D-Box seat response to a modern movie. I was imagini…

Please write it! I'd love to read one.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by coldpie »

0F wrote: post #144
pingeroo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean was he really wrong? As models like OpenAI Codex get more powerful over time, they will start eating into large chunks of dev work as well...

Literally everyone on this website is in denial. They all approach it by asking which fields will be safe. No field is safe. “But it’s not going to happen for a long time.” Climate deniers say the same thing and you think they should be wearing the dunce hat? The average person complains bitterly about climate deniers who say that it’s “my grandkids problem lol” but when I corner the average person into admitting AI…

I'm trying to understand your point, because I think I agree with you, but it's covered in so much hyperbole and invective I'm having a hard time getting there. Can you scale it back a little and explain to me what you mean? Something like: AI is going to replace jobs at such scale that our current job-based economic system will collapse?

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Post by jandrese »

andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

They have also closed off the possibility of having to appear before Congress and explain why their website was able to generate a lifelike image of Senator Ted Cruz having sexual relations with his own daughter.

This is exactly the sort of thing that gets a company mired in legal issues, vilified in the media, and shut down. I can not blame them for avoiding that potential minefield.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by dhosek »

mrandish wrote: post #220
recuter wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What always bother me with this stuff is, well, you say one approach is more sensible than the other because the images happen to come out more pleasing. But there's no real rhyme or reason, it is a sort of alchemy. Is text encoding strictly worse or is it an artifact of the implementation? And if it is strictly worse, which is probably the case, why specifically? What is actually going on here? I can't argue that th…

> This is a fantastic and time saving photoshop plugin. But what do we have really? Stock photography sales are in the many billions of dollars per year and custom commissioned photography is larger still. That's a pretty seriously sized ready-made market. > But if doesn't spit up exactly what you want can't edit it further. I suspect there's a big startup opportunity in pioneering an easy-to-use interface allowing u…

I've adopted a practice of having odd backgrounds for video conferences.¹ I generally find these through Google image search, but I often have a hard time finding exactly what I would like. My own use case is a bit idiosyncratic and frivolous, but I can see this being really handy for art direction needs. When I used to publish a magazine, I would often have to commission photographs for the needs of the publication. A custom photograph (in the 90s) would cost from $200–$1000² depending on the needs (and none required models). Stock photo pictures for commercial use were often comparable in cost. Being able to generate what I wanted with a tool like this would have been fantastic. I think that this can replace a lot of commercial illustration.

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1. My current work background is an enormous screen-filling eyeball. For my writing group, I try to have something that reflects the story I'm workshopping if I'm workshopping that week and something surreal otherwise.

2. My most expensive custom illustration was a title for an article about stone carver/letterer David Kindersley which I had inscribed in stone and photographed.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by eganist »

danso wrote: post #178
eganist wrote: post #21

The timing of the Dall-E 2 launch an hour ago seems to correspond with a recent piece of investigative journalism by Buzzfeed News about one of Sam Altman's other ventures, published 15 hours ago and discussed elsewhere actively on HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30931614 I point this out because while Dall-E 2 seems interesting (I'm out of my depth, so delegating to the conversation taking place h…

I'm not a huge fan of these coordination theories. But a few things worth noting: - In support of your argument, the Buzzfeed News investigation likely has been in the works for weeks, meaning Altman et al have had more than just a couple days to throw together a Dall-E 2 soft launch - However, weren't OpenAI's GPT (2 and 3) announced to the world in similar fashion? e.g. demos and whitepapers and waitlists, but not…

For discussion's sake:

- BFN reached out to A16Z, Worldcoin, Khosla Ventures largely declined to comment, which would mean that at least one person probably had a bit of runway from at least when the requests for comment were submitted. So yeah, you're probably right.

- Going from the github repos for GPT 2 and 3, those may have been hard launches:

Feb 14 2019, predating the first press for GPT-2 by a few days (was probably made public Feb 14 though) - https://github.com/openai/gpt-2/commit/c2dae27c1029770cea409...

May 28 2020, timed alongside the press news for GPT-3 - https://github.com/openai/gpt-3/commit/12766ba31aa6de490226e...

- Would it really have to be a conspiracy? Sounds like only one person would have to target a specific date or date range, and without really giving a reason.

One of the things that puts a hole in my own thinking here is that Sam Altman's name isn't really tied to the Dall-E 2 release. It's just OpenAI, and the press around Sam's name today still exclusively surfaces just this one Worldcoin story (https://news.google.com/search?q=sam+altman+when%3A1d&). So if this was actually intended to bury another story, Sam's name would have to have been included in all the press blasts to be successful. But the Buzzfeed story seems like it kinda died alone on the vine.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by eks391 »

imperio59 wrote: post #56

What happens when they train this thing to make videos? We're about to be dealing with a flood of AI-generated visual/video content. We already have to deal with text bots everywhere... wow.

I'm excited for when that happens. I didn't think of the malicious uses, which now that you brought it up I can think of many, but I still think the pros are worth the cons

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by duren »

I've been playing around with it today and have been super impressed with its ability to generate pretty artful digital paintings. Could have big implications for designers and artists if and when they allow you use custom palettes, etc.

Here's an example from my prompt ("a group of farmers picking lettuce in a field digital painting"): https://labs.openai.com/s/jb5pzIdTjS3AkMvmAlx69t7G

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