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What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by thayne »

gotaquestion wrote: post #179
grumbel wrote: post #173

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A system should only be a mystery in so far that you were too lazy to look up how exactly something works. Having "undocumented service" running wild should be unacceptable, even so it has become so common place. Linux isn't free of this, far too many times there is no man-page to tell you what something does, but at least you can dig into the source if you have to.

Not with 3rd party drivers. I think people fetishize the desire to have complete control, and it is a myth. I've been using Linux since 1997, and all the fighting for transparency has been a tempest in a teapot with no progress made at ALL. If people wanted to fight for it, stop using NVIDIA products, but do you see that happening? Not bloody likely. This isn't so much whataboutism as it is about trying to coerce an…

> If people wanted to fight for it, stop using NVIDIA products, but do you see that happening? Not bloody likely.

I don't use Nvidia because of this, and I'm not alone. If you ask "what is the best graphics card for linux" on a linux forum you will invariably get a chorus of "not Nvidia".

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by noufalibrahim »

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

My thoughts exactly. A machine that I paid money for and bought shouldn't have these kinds of mysteries from me. A binary driver is one thing. I can uninstall it albeit at the cost of impaired functionality but I had the option of buying another graphics card, OS whatever at the beginning. Here, I buy hardware, OS and everything else from one vendor and I can't uninstall, delete or kill a process that's running on my own machine? If it's something malicious on Linux, I can deny it access to parts of the drive, I can kill it or make it non executable. I can even find the executable and corrupt it so that it won't run.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by dralley »

trelane wrote: post #274
dralley wrote: post #118

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Still not as good as Windows but much better than it used to be, especially if you're using well tested hardware like a Thinkpad

My experience with ThinkPads has been terrible. I've lost faith in ThinkPads. Too bad we can't get working Linux hardware at work. Fortunately, I can buy my personal hardware from whomever I wish, and it certainly will not be Lenovo.

I agree that the quality of the hardware has gone downhill (weak hinges, getting more fragile every year, keyboard quality) but running Linux has been fine. No real complaints.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by dralley »

brimble wrote: post #251
RedShift1 wrote: post #227

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Why is it the worst package manager?

I haven't used it since ~2005, but at that time it was inexcusably slow. Notably, remarkably, shockingly slow. I would dread invoking it, it was so slow. 10x the time to do many operations, as apt/dpkg, and that's not an exaggeration. I assume that got better, though. I hope it did.

That "yum" no longer exists. dnf has a "yum" alias so that scripts still work, and a lot of the commands are named the same and accept the same arguments, but that's basically where the similarity ends.

And yes DNF is much faster.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by dralley »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #163
sjcoles wrote: post #159

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Try out Fedora! There's Fedora Rawhide if you want rolling release. I have been using Rawhide (+ mainline, non rc or git, kernel) on my work machine for the past 6 months without issue. If you have to compile a lot of kmods it can be a pain as everything is transitioning to GCC12 but the kernels are still built with GCC11. A container can take care of that though.

I really want to like Fedora - it gets so much right. But: `yum` is the worst package manager I have ever used on linux by far, and that sours the whole experience. I wish I could get "Fedora with pacman/apt instead".

Fedora hasn't used "yum" in 7 years (although the alias still exists). I'm curious whether you've ever actually used Fedora.

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Post by okamiueru »

jeroenhd wrote: post #24
okamiueru wrote: post #14

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Purging snap has so far been a 5 minute do-and-forget operation, all the way to 21.10.

Sadly, Ubuntu is moving Firefox to snap in the upcoming 22.04 release. I think I'll be switching to either Manjaro or plain Arch before 21.10 becomes unsupported.

I recently upgraded to 21.10, where in the process, snap was reinstalled and firefox was reinstalled as a snap. I did however just purge snap as I've done many times before, without any issue. Then installed firefox through flatpak, which is as of writing version 98.0.2, which looks to be the same as you get through snap.

So, in conclusion, it shouldn't matter one bit how canonical decides to distribute firefox, if you can just use the debian based apt, or flatpak.

I hope canonical goes away from the snap model, because I've had nothing but issues with it, until I got fed up enough to remove it, and then everything was great again. Issues were mostly related to read-only mounted file system, and otherwise the mess it produces. However, even if I had experienced none of those, the whole automatic updates whether-you-like-it-or-not... is one of the reasons why I'm not using windows or macOS.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by [deleted] »

c22 wrote: post #277
ricardobeat wrote: post #261

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> having to be a techno wizard > while I was building that first linux pc > for every computer I've bought or built since then > bit of research on driver compatibility This is pretty self explanatory. Your expectation of what basic computer skills should be is way too high.

I have no expectations, only anecdotes for the intellectually curious. People can obviously do and learn about whatever they like.

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by ricardobeat »

bostik wrote: post #267
ricardobeat wrote: post #261

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> having to be a techno wizard > while I was building that first linux pc > for every computer I've bought or built since then > bit of research on driver compatibility This is pretty self explanatory. Your expectation of what basic computer skills should be is way too high.

I look at that the other way round: the average basic computer skill levels are insufferably low.

How many car drivers do you think can even recognize the parts under the hood? That's how things should be - these are tools, and most users will be interested in using it to achieve something, not the intricacies of building the tool itself.

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Post by Brian_K_White »

morganvachon wrote: post #92
Brian_K_White wrote: post #55

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I don't even understand the question. If you found that your next door neighbor was sneaking into your house while you're away, and he said "oh I have an option not to do that. Just ask me not to any more." Would that be good enough? You say "ok I would like to invoke that option" and that's it, you happily go away on a month long vacation without installing any cameras or anything because they guy said he won't do t…

I agree with your position but that's a bad analogy (as most analogies are). With your computer you can choose to uninstall and no longer use VSCode. You can't choose your neighbor and you can't force him to move away to prevent his bad actions. Also, it would be more like your neighbor is peeping in your windows or planting a monitoring bug to record your activities, rather than breaking in. Taking that further, you…

That analogy is like a car that...

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by c22 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #288
bostik wrote: post #267

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I look at that the other way round: the average basic computer skill levels are insufferably low.

How many car drivers do you think can even recognize the parts under the hood? That's how things should be - these are tools, and most users will be interested in using it to achieve something, not the intricacies of building the tool itself.

How many cars can be reconfigured on the fly to act as a sporty racer, a huge work truck, an ATV, a unicycle, or literally any wheeled vehicle you can imagine?

Computers are general purpose tools, the ability to reconfigure them to accomplish different tasks is the core feature that makes them useful.

Not being able to pick out software and hardware that work together is like not knowing how to drive. If you can't do this then you are just a passenger.

Willfully avoiding learning basic programming concepts is like refusing to learn how to change a flat tire. I guess nowadays if your car is always connected to a cell tower and you have a comfortable income you might be able to drive your whole life without ever needing this skill but they were still teaching us how to do it back when I took driver's ed.

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