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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Ourgon »

hnarn wrote: post #248
Ourgon wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An updated version of that section in the form of a booklet was distributed to every household a few years ago, the advice is mostly the same. Stay Alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy! (OK, that last one came from somewhere else).

“Trust no one” is not what the newer or the older version of the pamphlet suggests, rather it quite correctly points out that during wartime the amount of misinformation can be expected to be massive, so you should be extra vigilant in verifying the source of the information. Trusting “no one” would imply a complete free-for-all which is hardly conducive to an effective defensive strategy.

You missed the reference [1].

The Computer is your friend.

[1] https://wikiless.org/wiki/Paranoia_(role-playing_game)?lang=...

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by nix23 »

eru wrote: post #194
Rastonbury wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes

Further down that rabbit hole: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-h...

Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by ahazred8ta »

Ourgon wrote: post #281
hnarn wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Trust no one” is not what the newer or the older version of the pamphlet suggests, rather it quite correctly points out that during wartime the amount of misinformation can be expected to be massive, so you should be extra vigilant in verifying the source of the information. Trusting “no one” would imply a complete free-for-all which is hardly conducive to an effective defensive strategy.

You missed the reference [1]. The Computer is your friend. [1] https://wikiless.org/wiki/Paranoia_(role-playing_game)?lang=...

"Thank you, Computer." *ZAP* "YOU DID NOT SAY THANK YOU FRIEND COMPUTER."

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by sangnoir »

mindslight wrote: post #278
sangnoir wrote: post #271

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> But instead, he dug his heels in opposition to how things were developing Mostly in blue states! back then, red states where doing fine, but Seattle & New York were the first major epicenters. It was a deliberate political calculus to cast Democratic-led regions as inept. Florida "banned" New Yorkers for a bit. Minimizong COVID also made businesses happy, so it appeared to be a 3-fer for Republicans, until it boome…

Still, acknowledging Covid as a real problem would have let him drive the density difference even more. It's harder to blame democratic leaders as inept if you are downplaying the seriousness of the underlying problem. Also by June 2020 it was quite apparent that the problem was not going to be isolated to nursing homes etc, even if the absolute numbers weren't bad everywhere.

> It's harder to blame democratic leaders as inept if you are downplaying the seriousness of the underlying problem.

On the contrary, being confounded by an inconsequential challenge is a bigger sign of ineptitude than the reverse.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by coayer »

hermannj314 wrote: post #211
kozak wrote: post #167

Voice sounds even more unrealistic than the video (source: I'm Ukrainian). No one in Ukraine would believe the audio part of this fake, even if video was perfect. This is a pathetic attempt. Also, the script (the text that is being read) is written as if the target audience are Russian, not Ukrainian people (because it's based on propaganda narratives that people outside of Russia are not familiar with). This is such…

I assume the good deepfakers are using social media datasets to trick unsuspecting grandparents into giving up money, not meddling in geopolitics.

Or being hired by Disney!

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by jhugo »

paganel wrote: post #208
jhugo wrote: post #184

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That law does indeed exist, but nonetheless you still have numerous streets in Romania named after Antonescu. They can be trivially found on Google Maps. For example, Strada Mareșal Ion Antonescu in Constanța [0] — and it was given that name in 2000! Of course, nobody should judge all Romanians, nor even the political leaders who were not directly involved in the naming decision, for that. Countries are not a homogen…

It's a small street that no-one has heard about, this is a boulevard in the capital city. We had the same thing in Bucharest, when there was a church (built by Antonescu and his wife) that had a bust sculpture [1] of him in the church-yard sometime in the early 2000s. There was of course a huge scandal, with the foreign ambassadors chiming in, the law against naming things after bad people from our history got passed…

> everyone acts surprised how come Putin calls the Ukrainians as being nazis

I mean, they should. Calling an entire country of 44 million people Nazis is ridiculous regardless of whether a boulevard in a capital city is named after Bandera.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by stygiansonic »

Rastonbury wrote: post #117
gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

Interesting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes

Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Resistance_(book)

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by rapind »

curiousllama wrote: post #199
rapind wrote: post #185

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> And now thanks to this poor deepfake they are aware of deepfakes and are primed to question future videos, even if they seem real. They may also be primed to question real videos. Aka “flood the zone with shit”.

"flood the zone" makes it difficult to assess new information, so people fall back on their priors. That would be counterproductive for Russia rn, because the narrative is against them.

Fair point. I'm not sure what would be productive for them at this point though.

Years ago I read somewhere that the way Russia does cyberwarfare is less organized than most people suspect. I'm not sure if it's true, but the argument is that it's more of a lousy goosy free agent type deal. Some of these agents are very clever, but others not so much, so you have a range of competencies just trying stuff.

That could be wrong, or they may have evolved a lot since, but amateurish deep fakes could be a fit. Some random kid just trying stuff and hoping for a pay day / bounty? Pure speculation though.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by GameOfFrowns »

nix23 wrote: post #282
eru wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further down that rabbit hole: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-h...

Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?

Might just be a pen. If the object would have the width of a smartphone, the soldier wouldn't be able to wrap her ringfinger around like in the picture.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by kwhitefoot »

diarrhea wrote: post #8
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. If you include reactions, sure. But regular fluid dynamics very much leaves the substance intact. Water flows down a stream and is still water at the end.

Perhaps there are models of waterway pollution that could shed light on it?
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