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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is still not answering the question whether these are legally recognized wives; whether they have residenve./nationality rights, right to work, etc

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I'm trying really hard to put aside the racist comments...

This still doesn't explain how these women are obtaining Israeli citizenship if polygamy is illegal.

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> "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought the law forward with Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked. "Today, God willing, Israel's defensive shield will be significantly strengthened," he told the Knesset hours before the vote.

I'm baffled how the people who survived the Holocaust, among numerous other persecutions, are now so intolerant of another persecuted people.

There is something about being surrounded by people who actually want you dead that makes you somewhat rigid about instituting measures intended to keep you alive. I'm not arguing rights and wrongs, here. Merely human psychology.

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post #120

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I would not call HN a darker corner of the internet...

This thread is why I said "usually."

This thread surprised me; I thought politics was off-topic on HN, at least for root articles - it seems to be OK in comments, as long as people don't get too angry.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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> "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought the law forward with Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked. "Today, God willing, Israel's defensive shield will be significantly strengthened," he told the Knesset hours before the vote.

I'm baffled how the people who survived the Holocaust, among numerous other persecutions, are now so intolerant of another persecuted people.

Almost all humans (and many other species) get tribal once allocation of limited resources comes into play.

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It's certainly interesting how an oppressed people became the oppressor.

Today most Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern origin from countries like Syria, Morocco and Iraq.

They are not European Holocaust survivors or their direct descendants.

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Yeah see, sh*t like that happens when you make a country only based on/for a religion.

Based on ethnic identity, which is how the vast majority of non-Americas nations are structured. Japan for Japanese, Italy for Italians, Israel for Jews. As an immigrant, I’m partial to the American civic approach, but Israel ain’t special.

>Japan for Japanese, Italy for Italians, Israel for Jews

With your logic it would be like: Japan is for Shintos, Italy for Roman Catholics, Israel for Jews....sounds terrible no?

Since like forever Jews where all over the world (and called it their home) with vastly different cultures/food/music, there is not the ONE Jewish Culture but thousands, you just cant compare it to Japan or Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#Zionist_Aliyah_(1882_on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#From_Iran

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> Consider if the US passed a law banning Mexican spouses from uniting with their US spouse to keep America’s “Christian character”. That's not a very good analogy, because Mexico is probably more Christian than the US.

In this context Christian almost always means white even if they try to pretend that isn't the case. At least Australia didn't mince words and called it the White Australia Policy, everyone else feels like they need to make it about religon or something else to make the racism more palatable.

> In this context Christian almost always means white even if they try to pretend that isn't the case.

No, it doesn't. Also, aren't most Mexicans technically white (i.e. that's what they're supposed to check on a US census form)? It's just a bad analogy.

There are paths to modify that analogy to make it work (or at least work better) for the pair America and Mexico, but you're not following any of those.

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I think anytime there is post on this lots of down voting and canned responses are posted. That's from both sides. I'm not sure what the solution is but I can't imagine any real conversation happening without one side or the other "keyboard warriors" derailing the conversation.

A common tactic to suppress unfavourable situations is to create hostility so that moderation is forced to take place. In real life this includes sending people to start fights or riot during protests to allow police to enter and disband it, and online this involves starting several arguments so that the moderators find it pointless to let the discussion go on. That's why this happens. It's intentional and not accide…

Bloody hell. Whoever engages in such behaviour is an enemy of open society. I wonder if there is a way to identify such accounts online and remove them from platforms.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet…

This is not only about terror activity.

I'm an Israeli, politically left leaning and it's a shame that I need to write the following(and for many years I've believed the opposite) :

The Israeli Arabs are a big problem. We've seen it during the last war with Gaza, when those many Israeli Arab citizens created mobs that did many violent actions in quite a few places. Israeli people in some cities had to flee their homes. And yes there we're also Israeli mobs.

This is not the first time this happens.

It's gotten seriously bad, so bad that now the Israeli Army is building special roads bypassing areas with a lot of Israeli Arab citizens, because those areas aren't safe to use in the case of a war on our borders,

So objectively, Arabs and Jews mix very poorly.

So is it wise to add another 130K such citizens every ten years ? Or more specifically, Palestinians, who hate us even more ? Or is it just increasing the problem ?

And sure, this isn't a nice decision. We Israelis live in a partial war situation. That's the reality.

So you can't compare it to barring Mexicans from enter to the US. It's much more complicated.

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There are also many Arabic speaking Christians who don’t consider themselves to be Arabs culturally, and who definitely reject the label “Arab”.

What do they call themselves?

In Egypt they're called Copts.
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