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That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.
>They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that. Why can't they? In free and democratic USA 5% of the population is incarcerated.
MasterCard suspends all services in Russia
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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia
#282It's the first action against Russia that made me angry. It's so stupid and wrong at the same time. So, in Russia all the cards will work, nothing is changed here (despite the statements of Visa and Mastercard). Cards issued by Russian banks would stop work abroad. The same is true for any foreign cards in Russia. So, foreigners in Russia are fucked. People who left Russia in a hurry because they didn't want to be pa…
The main goal of this action is sound - cut off Russian economy from outside and it achieves it. There're undesirable side effects that you listed, but the main objective is still achieved. And we should keep prospective and direct the anger at right target, these inconveniences are not comparable to the terror millions of Ukrainians are under now.
It doesn't achieve that. Their economy is only cut off from the west. China, for example, still is find to trade with them. The west is still buying their oil too.
Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.
This is always true, and yet dictators have existed since the dawn of humanity. I don't know why people expect Russians to function like a hivemind, rather than humans that disagree and have instincts for self preservation
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Western Union and Moneygram exists in Russia no? You do realise that Transferwise isn’t the only money transfer service, there only given as an example. The fact that the article states that there was a limit shows this ‘ban’ is only a temporary measure by Wise. As I said you can still use other regulated alternatives.
>Western Union and Moneygram exists in Russia no? What aspect of 'sanctions' do you not understand? Edit: Oh, I read your other contributions in this thread and see you're just trolling. My mistake.
A source from you would be great rather than dismissing my claim with ‘sanctions’.
You need to elaborate.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Just tick ‘give anonymously’. Isn't there still some way to trace the transaction this way? Usually through your bank, credit card provider, or something of that sort. With Monero there is basically no chance of anyone finding out I made the donation. I'm not interested in anyone knowing, including my bank. I like my privacy. If there's some non crypto way to truly make an anonymous online transaction, I may be inte…
It all begins with a card and an exchange, it’s irrelevant who you send it to. The exchange already knows. The ramps that allow these purchases to happen will be closed once tight regulation comes in and tanks the prices rendering the tokens useless. > I'm not interested in anyone knowing, including my bank. I like my privacy. What is the point when you need to buy the crypto tokens using a card? Even then I am sure…
Already knows what? The exchange knows how much crypto I buy from that exchange, but with Monero they don't know anything beyond the first address it is sent to. There is no evidence they're able to find anything beyond that, including where I donate to.
>The ramps that allow these purchases to happen will be closed once tight regulation comes in and tanks the prices rendering the tokens useless.
As long as there is a ramp for you to obtain a pair that trades for your privacy coin, and reverse direction, there's little to no impediment to trading your privacy coin. In UK I would just buy litecoin or something, then trade it for XMR. If I wanted to cash out I would trade XMR for something else (goods, cash in another country, or another crypto that trades in my country).
>What is the point when you need to buy the crypto tokens using a card? Even then I am sure Kraken and other exchanges have a log of what coins your purchased and they already know you through KYC anyway.
Kraken knows how much XMR I buy and sell through them. Unlike with say BTC they have no idea where it goes after that. I know my bank knows I have money, so they aren't really getting any more useful information by looking at my purchases of XMR. If I donated with a card, my bank would see where that money actually went.
>And when this happens, how do Monero users cash out? By meeting in a dark alley trading worthless coins?
Explained earlier, Monero(XMR) can be cashed out by trading for something tradeable in your own country. Note Monero isn't illegal in the UK, there's nothing stopping someone in UK from owning Monero and buy goods or cash from out of the country or exchanging it for another coin.
> By meeting in a dark alley trading worthless coins?
The idea of it being worthless is certainly possible but at this point not reflective of reality.
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>Again, your will for this so called ‘privacy’ and all this hassle at the expense of the environment due to excessive Proof of Work (or Waste)
Can you quantify how much energy is acceptable to use when making a donation transaction to charity? If I were to drive to a charity and donate cash to Ukrainian refugees for example, would it be a sin to you?
>It is the privacy coins that will be banned first when regulations arrive.
But they aren't now, so I don't think you can say my charity donations are illegal, nor a 'terrorist' act.
>Monero has gotten even closer to zero from the start of this year and the trend is going down.
You can pick whatever arbitrary timeline you want. On a 5Y timeline Monero is down, on a 1Y timeline it is up. My transaction (from converting to fiat, to sending) usually take >So yes, it is getting worthless as a currency buy useful for people betting and gambling on the price.
OK but that's not the only use case, you can do other things than gamble.
>Thanks for playing.
Monero has worked fine for my legitimate uses. It's fine if you haven't found them. 'Playing' has been an imperfect but effective experience for many.
Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia
#286I guess this will just accelerate adoption of China's UnionPay or their homegrown MIR.
One unintended outcome of this could be Russia depending in China. It's too big to be a puppet state, but China would be the one calling the shots.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
It all begins with a card and an exchange, it’s irrelevant who you send it to. The exchange already knows. The ramps that allow these purchases to happen will be closed once tight regulation comes in and tanks the prices rendering the tokens useless. > I'm not interested in anyone knowing, including my bank. I like my privacy. What is the point when you need to buy the crypto tokens using a card? Even then I am sure…
>It all begins with a card and an exchange, it’s irrelevant who you send it to. The exchange already knows. Already knows what? The exchange knows how much crypto I buy from that exchange, but with Monero they don't know anything beyond the first address it is sent to. There is no evidence they're able to find anything beyond that, including where I donate to. >The ramps that allow these purchases to happen will be c…
I’m sure you’re glad that you would prefer to burn the planet up with using Monero for some false sense of privacy knowing that the overwhelming majority that use it are criminals and terrorists.
Unfortunately this makes your anecdote not only irrelevant, but highly likely that Monero would be made illegal very quickly in the US, UK and other places.
It is the privacy coins that will be banned first when regulations arrive.
> The idea of it being worthless is certainly possible but at this point not reflective of reality.
Monero has gotten even closer to zero from the start of this year and the trend is going down.
So yes, it is getting worthless as a currency but useful for people betting and gambling on the price.
Thanks for playing.
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low speeds dont matter if you can use it to get your wealth out of such a situation . Crypto exchanges have not blocked russian users. the blocked cards are in accordance with laws. call it what you want, it's not like other kinds of money are ideal 'currencies'. All of them are tools, if they work they re good
So it is good that the network is congested? I don’t think you would want to wait for hours for a payment to settle only for it to fail later because of the gas fees. > Crypto exchanges have not blocked russian users. Yes they have and they can. > call it what you want, it's not like other kinds of money are ideal 'currencies'. It isn’t money if it is loses 60% of its value in a couple of hours with additional fees I…
Like the ruble? Anyway, are you aware of stablecoins?
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think that’s true. Otherwise, Mastercard/Visa/Paypal wouldn’t have waited this long. I think Russia is being ‘canceled’. They have become toxic to companies. It’s PR related, not because of government orders.
> I think Russia is being ‘canceled’. Jesus this term really has lost all meaning at this point, hasn't it.
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#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
So individuals who recently left Russia out of fear for the regime and may be in very vulnerable positions have potentially unexpectedly lost access to their funds until they can sort that out... Meanwhile, for The Real Russians, business as usual. This looks like theatre hurting the wrong people.
Lyon Feuchtwanger, a Jew and anti-fascist who fled Hitler's Germany, lost all his savings in banks in the US, Canada, Britain and France. Because of the sanctions imposed on him as a German citizen. The only bank he still had money in his account in 1945 was ...German.