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Post by nomilk »

jmull wrote: post #220
dayvid wrote: post #127

It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

I don’t get why people think youtube should be forced to host stuff they don’t want to host. Youtube should be socialized and forced to become a content-neutral storage? But why?!? We have the internet, where you can rent or run your own server and storage and post your conspiracy theory videos.

Bad outcomes are assured when people who simply don't care make decisions that affect those who do.

Between the trio of media, tech, and government there's enormous control over what we hear and learn about. The filters they apply are powerful, yet inconsistent, and often populist, political, or irrational.

These 3 groups have this control, yet are incapable of using it to optimise for citizenry well-being.

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Post by DoctorOW »

psychlops wrote: post #255
jmull wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get why people think youtube should be forced to host stuff they don’t want to host. Youtube should be socialized and forced to become a content-neutral storage? But why?!? We have the internet, where you can rent or run your own server and storage and post your conspiracy theory videos.

Companies with monopolistic power and revolving door political hirings need to be held to a different standard as they are beyond competing for views and shape narratives. It doesn't matter whether they are shaping it politically or profitably or via AI for clicks. It isn't neutral and drowns out or outright eliminates competing views.

Can you give an example? What's a view that's been eliminated?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

lostlogin wrote: post #155
pyuser583 wrote: post #82

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The 2000 Presidential election was attacked as illegitimate. I was watching the latter seasons of X-Files and Fox Mulder made a comment on 2000 elections, something like “that sounds about as reliable as our elections.” Plenty of folks, Howard Dean comes to mind, said they were straight up illegitimate. Even now many on the left insist it was a tie or something. This thing of “if you don’t win the elections, question…

> Even now many on the left insist it was a tie or something. It doesn’t help that the US system can have a winner who didn’t get the majority of the vote. There are a number of aspects of the US voting system which are less than perfect, and that’s just one.

> It doesn’t help that the US system can have a winner who didn’t get the majority of the vote

This is incorrect.

You require a majority of votes in the USA in the presidential election. What you seem to be missing is that people do not vote for the President but vote to direct how their state votes.

States vote for President. People vote for states.

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

jmull wrote: post #245
pokstad wrote: post #230

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No one is arguing about YouTube being forced to do things. People are discussing how sad it is that YouTube has gone down that road.

It’s sad that youtube can choose what content to host? It’s sad that not everyone agrees with all the choices they make? Doesn’t seem sad to me. The alternative, where youtube cannot choose what content to host, seems sad to me.

Google is a nearly two trillion dollar company. I shed no tears for “forcing” them to host speech they don’t like.

My desire to give companies rights diminishes with scale.

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Post by belltaco »

hatware wrote: post #74
pfisch wrote: post #27

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To be fair they let Trump run with this stuff a long time. It was really only after he led an attempted insurrection based on these "claims" that they shut down his ability to keep spreading this stuff.

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How is this a guided tour by any stretch of the imagination?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJvLIXcuc0

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Post by billfor »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #235
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #217

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> > If it's instructions on drinking bleach, why censor it? >Not comparable. Nor did it ever actually happen. https://www.dailywire.com/news/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-t... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/202... Not anywhere will you find Trump saying to “inject bleach”. That was the media narrative, completely their words.

> And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Seems to me like he is very clearly talking ab…

You admit his is talking clearly then? Many people seem to chose when to give him that consideration.

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Post by tatrajim »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #70
mberning wrote: post #44

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What is the falsifiable hypothesis of the stolen election? There's nothing coherent about an ever evolving list of grievances. I'm convinced this is by design. If there were a sound theory, it could be disproven. But if its just a nebulous collection of disjointed complaints, the wound can stay open forever, which is the actual goal.

The 136-page 2nd interim report of the Office of Special Counsel of the state of Wisconsin, recently released, raises troubling issues.

See especially:

Chapter 6: Wisconsin Election Officials’ Widespread Use of Absentee Ballot Drop Boxes Facially Violated Wisconsin Law.

Chapter 7: The Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) Unlawfully Directed Clerks to Violate Rules Protecting Nursing Home Residents, Resulting in a 100% Voting Rate in Many Nursing Homes in 2020, Including Many Ineligible Voters.

The author, Former Supreme Court justice Mike Gableman, concludes:

"This Report has documented not just one, but a great collection of Wisconsin election law violations. As a political matter, the actions of state actors certifying electors in any Presidential election can be reconsidered as the Wisconsin Legislature sees fit using its plenary power under Article II of the federal Constitution, as recognized in McPherson and Bush v. Gore. Indeed, McPherson noted that “there is no doubt of the right of the legislature to resume the power at any time.” McPherson, 146 U.S. at 35 (emphasis added)..."

https://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/22/brandtjen/media/1552...

I hope the MSM will pay due attention to the issues that this report identified.

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Post by godmode2019 »

3np wrote: post #179
godmode2019 wrote: post #102

I really don't know why people think elections are not rigged. In my opinion all elections are rigged, why on earth would you risk losing power to the whim of the 'unwashed'. Both parties are two sides of the same coin and go back and forth to give everyone the illusion of choice. But when people mass together and demand social change, BLM ect its allowed to happened only until it starts working, then the authorities…

This is ridiculous hyperbole. Maybe what you’re saying is true in the US and several other places but there are absolutely unrigged elections elsewhere. Then you could respond with how things are effectively systemically rigged through gerrymandering/news media/misinformation/propaganda/mind control/harassment/selective enforcement but that’s something else.

Where are you thinking?

Iceland maybe, but that would be the exception to the rule.

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Post by pfarrell »

polished85 wrote: post #203
dogline wrote: post #111

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> WW1 happened partly because nobody was afraid of it happenning. That is an interesting take on it. It may not be wrong, but I hadn't heard that before.

There is a thought provoking book about how terrible the repercussions of WWI really were. The author claims the world was on the verge of a renaissance in technology, medicine, energy, music, trade, etc. The thought of a world war was incomprehensible at the time—no one believed it could happen. Who knows how the world would look today without WWI. (If any one is interested in the book I will hunt it down as I don’t…

Please do.
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